RBG leaves the stage.

Barrett herself has written an opinion that a deeply religious person like has to recuse themselves from cases that might contradict with sincerely held believes; the case in question was about the Death Penalty, but it would be easy to make an argument that it should apply to abortion, too.

Too bad that when she was confirmed early in the Trump Presidency, she made it clear she would have no objection to strike down Roe.
 
Barrett herself has written an opinion that a deeply religious person like has to recuse themselves from cases that might contradict with sincerely held believes; the case in question was about the Death Penalty, but it would be easy to make an argument that it should apply to abortion, too.

Too bad that when she was confirmed early in the Trump Presidency, she made it clear she would have no objection to strike down Roe.

But it isn't possible for roe to contradict with sincerely held beliefs because there is no conflict....it should be struck down. Problem solved.
 
if she has a grain of judicial ethics in her
She does not. If there's a single thing that this presidency has taught me about Trump, it's that his sole requirement in an underling is absolute loyalty to him personally. I have zero doubt - none whatsoever - that the two have had a face to face meeting and Trump has made clear in no uncertain terms that she will side with him over the Law when he asks her to, and that despite being a Supreme Court justice she is, indeed, his underling. Otherwise we'd be seeing someone else nominated.

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And here's my fear- that McConnell, who seems to be orchestrating this whole thing, will go along with that call for recusal, and thereby gain credit for crafting "a reasonable compromise" in a situation that should have never gotten to the point that it needed that compromise to begin with. McConnell wants the SC seat, but not necessarily to seal Trump's reelection; he's forcing the issue before the election because he thinks the GOP may lose either the White House or the Senate (possibly both), and thus lose even the fig leaf of justification he's constructed- afterwards, nobody will buy "the voice of the people compels us!" from the last two elections (2016 and 2018) when the most recent undercuts them. If they force the nomination through before the election, its results won't matter, the GOP will have what they want, that SC seat with its long-term benefits. And if they agree that Barrett should recuse, then, as I said, they get credit for being "reasonable," which may swing enough votes their way to limit the damage from the election, possibly even win it for either Senate or the White House or both. If they don't win, oh well- McConnell himself is safe enough in KY, there's always another election no more than two years down the road, and peoples' memories are usefully short while that SC seat is for a lifetime.
McConnell is balls-deep in Russian money. If he loses power and can't sabotage the next investigation, he's going down too and he knows it.
 
Have you seen a list of the specific bills & votes which that rating was based on? I'd be a bit relieved if convinced, but I'm used to claims of "the most ___ in whatever body of government" usually being false, or misleading, such as being based on lots of votes on symbolic fluff bills I don't care about outweighing votes the other way on substantial bills I do care about.

To people who weren't already paying close attention to her in the Senate (which is practically everybody), the main source of information about her is how she behaved as a candidate. And that went from talking like a lefty on substantial issues that would actually affect people's lives (and rising in the polls while she did) to turning 180° against herself (and crashing).

These are the sources that were cited when I first heard this:

https://www.progressivepunch.org/sc...enate&sort=overall-lifetime&order=down&party=

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kamala_harris/412678/report-card/2019

It should be noted, though, that the second of those links is no longer functional, it seems as a protest about recent moves made by Trump & his staff re the election.

You can listen to the podcast where it's discussed in some detail here. The format is that they work backwards over her career, so the Senate stuff is close to the front, with her behaviour as a candidate before that.

You can also check out her entire voting record here, or compare her voting record to any other senator here (the precise link I've provided takes you to a comparison with Sanders), which will not only tell you how often they agreed but also what they disagreed on. You can then filter those results by major bills vs. all bill, and follow links to more details on the bills, including any statements made by lawmakers about the bills. FWIW, Sanders and Harris disagreed on only 2 bills that the site classifies as major.

There are some sources I've seen that paint her voting record as to the right of Sanders', but I think it's fair to say that under any measure that I've seen there isn't much in it either way. If "roughly equal with Sanders" is more satisfactory than "to the left of Sanders", then fine. It's not a hugely important distinction.
 
I have zero doubt - none whatsoever - that the two have had a face to face meeting and Trump has made clear in no uncertain terms that she will side with him over the Law when he asks her to, and that despite being a Supreme Court justice she is, indeed, his underling.

She was at the White House on Thursday.

McConnell is balls-deep in Russian money. If he loses power and can't sabotage the next investigation, he's going down too and he knows it.

Allison Gill on The Daily Beans podcast's theory is that Giuliani is currently being set-up to be the fall-guy for all Russia-related shenanigans, and has been promised a pardon.
 
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(and while it's framed as "Johnny Highschooler skips out for the afternoon", we're really discussing more like "Timmy in second grade has been absent for 600 days so far out of 180 total in the school year without explanation, what the entire **** is happening with him?").

"He's been inventing a time machine, OK?"
 
Trump tried to make a news event of announcing the nomination. He failed, the NYT stole his thunder. : )

LOL

Mr. Trump plans to announce on Saturday that she is his choice, according to six people close to the process who asked not to be identified disclosing the decision in advance. As they often do, aides cautioned that Mr. Trump sometimes upends his own plans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/us/politics/amy-coney-barrett-supreme-court.html

The Trump team spoon-fed them the info. They pretty much had no choice but to publish, after that.
 
LOL

Mr. Trump plans to announce on Saturday that she is his choice, according to six people close to the process who asked not to be identified disclosing the decision in advance. As they often do, aides cautioned that Mr. Trump sometimes upends his own plans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/us/politics/amy-coney-barrett-supreme-court.html

The Trump team spoon-fed them the info. They pretty much had no choice but to publish, after that.

Is he going to announce Infrastructure Week at the same time?
Or another 2 week wait for HealthCare Reform?
 
After reading up on his Supreme Court pick, if the Dems win the Senate, they have to add two states, get rid of the filibuster and stack the court. To protect the interests of the people, Trump's SCOTUS picks have to be neutralized with loyal, American judges. I wonder if Anita Hill is looking for a job.
 
RBG really hurt the country by not inventing a time machine, then traveling back in time and informing her 2014 self that Republicans would retake the Senate
 
RBG really hurt the country by not inventing a time machine, then traveling back in time and informing her 2014 self that Republicans would retake the Senate

What a load. She should have known she wasn't going to live forever, especially after battling pancreatic cancer. I tried watching a Colbert interview with her a couple of years ago, but she was so slow and cringy that I stopped. I swear to God, if I'm ever that old and frail, relieve me of my misery by sending over call girls. They can take turns making me feel good.
 
What a load. She should have known she wasn't going to live forever, especially after battling pancreatic cancer. I tried watching a Colbert interview with her a couple of years ago, but she was so slow and cringy that I stopped. I swear to God, if I'm ever that old and frail, relieve me of my misery by sending over call girls. They can take turns making me feel good.

Oh, if you insist. Send me an Uber.
 
Ethanol for example is more harmful to the economy, environment and even global warming than gasoline. But a powerful lobby combined with regulatory capture has made this very harmful practice of mixing Ethanol with gasoline mandatory in many states and heavily subsidized everywhere.
Who is it pushing for corn subsidies? Chiefly, I believe, Republicans who need to keep big agriculture happy to retain control of farm states.

Climate change? Republicans think it's a hoax. They're not likely to fund innovations like, say, pilot studies on removing CO2 from the atmosphere with improved farming practices. Democrats would probably love your proposals. I don't think the GOP would have a clue what you were talking about. Abortion? Who is actively working to reduce abortions by providing health care and access to contraception? Not Republicans. Not third-party candidates with no chance of winning. Overturning Roe v. Wade is not going to happen, IMO. It looks like Trump is going to have 3 picks for the Supreme Court after Obama was "cheated" in 2016. That's enough.

Trump does not care about all the little babies. This is pandering to the religious right. If he kills the freakin' planet saving those babies (fetuses) that is not a good outcome. As a society we could radically reduce abortions, no matter what the SC does.

Too sleepy, can't finish.
 
The best thing you can do to prevent abortions is to promote sex education, make access to women's health easy and affordable, destigmatize contraception and sex and make sure girls can get an education.

Banning abortion just pushes the problem to somewhere else.
 
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What a load. She should have known she wasn't going to live forever, especially after battling pancreatic cancer. I tried watching a Colbert interview with her a couple of years ago, but she was so slow and cringy that I stopped. I swear to God, if I'm ever that old and frail, relieve me of my misery by sending over call girls. They can take turns making me feel good.

Yeah this defence that she couldn't see the future makes no sense. My bet is that even if Clinton had won in 2016 RBG still would have carried on until she died. Only difference being that the Republicans in the Senate would be able to make a pretence of consistency by refusing to ratify a replacement before another election.
 
Yeah this defence that she couldn't see the future makes no sense. My bet is that even if Clinton had won in 2016 RBG still would have carried on until she died. Only difference being that the Republicans in the Senate would be able to make a pretence of consistency by refusing to ratify a replacement before another election.

She probably should have retired back in 2012/2013 or whatever. But she didn't.

So what is to be done now?
 

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