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2020 Presidential Election

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Now, that's putting his money to good use. I hope he makes sure they vote.
Let's hope it works. One problem appears to be that there is no standard place felons can go or procedure they can follow to find out even whether they owe money, let alone how much and pay up. But if they vote while they owe money it's a felony. So they're afraid to vote, even if they can. All the Florida authorities have to do is not tell people what they owe, or promise to give a full accounting by, say, Dec. 1, to keep them locked out.
 
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Let's hope it works. One problem appears to be that there is no standard place felons can go or procedure they can follow to find out even whether they owe money, let alone how much and pay up. But if they vote while they owe money it's a felony. So they're afraid to vote, even if they can. All the Florida authorities have to do is not tell people what they owe, or promise to give a full accounting by, say, Dec. 1, to keep them locked out.

I think you mean Nov. 1?
 
I think you mean Nov. 1?

No, I meant Dec. 1. After the election. Too late to vote. The state government is run by Republicans. They don't want to help anybody except Trumpers vote. They could pretend to comply with any orders or requirements, but just not in time to make a difference. Nov. 4 would work just as well.
 
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No, I meant Dec. 1. After the election. Too late to vote. The state government is run by Republicans. They don't want to help anybody except Trumpers vote. They could pretend to comply with any orders or requirements, but just not in time to make a difference. Nov. 4 would work just as well.

Ah...I see what you mean.
 
And in truth, much of the screaming about this election, so-called "silent" voters, and the like, are based on the false assertion that "the polls all got it wrong!", which they generally didn't. I'll agree that certain people calling probabilities used crap models - this happens fairly often even when discussing nonthinking designs. It becomes more difficult when discussing people, particularly when one is trying to account for errors that pollsters make, rather than just random people changing their mind for whatever reason.


Recently there are polls which take significant points off of Trumps white suburban voters but also that Trump had gained black and hispanic votes vs his performance in 2016.

um....what????

Isn't it a weird phenomena that white voters would be swayed by messages of racial injustice but the groups affected most moved the other way?
If it was Cubans, maybe I'd see why...but it seems consistent in all the swing states where they poll.

I think this means the whites are lying and the blacks are telling the truth. The minority movement in the polls will be the true indicator of the winner.
Maybe it is a summer long fluke? Time will tell I suppose.

(Go read Politico's recent version of why minorities are moving to Trump. See if you agree with the opinions they give as to the behavior of those groups vs the morally aware whites that are deemed to be hearing the right messaging)
 
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In apparent play for QAnon supporters, GOP attack ads claim Democrat lawmakers are defending 'sex offenders'

The ad couldn’t sound more ominous. As darkened images of quiet suburban neighborhoods roll on the screen, a woman’s voice delivers a scary message: “On every street, in every neighborhood, around every corner, sex offenders are living among us.”

And then comes the kicker: U.S. Rep. Tom Malinowski, a freshman Democrat from New Jersey in a swing district, “tried to make it easier for predators to hide in the shadows,” the woman continues. “Malinowski worked as the top lobbyist for a radical group that opposed the National Sex Offender Registry.”

There is no evidence that Malinowski, had ever done anything to protect sexual predators or lobbied against the sex offender registry.

https://news.yahoo.com/in-apparent-...makers-defending-sex-offenders-221037264.html
 
Recently there are polls which take significant points off of Trumps white suburban voters but also that Trump had gained black and hispanic votes vs his performance in 2016.

um....what????

Isn't it a weird phenomena that white voters would be swayed by messages of racial injustice but the groups affected most moved the other way?
If it was Cubans, maybe I'd see why...but it seems consistent in all the swing states where they poll.

I think this means the whites are lying and the blacks are telling the truth. The minority movement in the polls will be the true indicator of the winner.
Maybe it is a summer long fluke? Time will tell I suppose.

(Go read Politico's recent version of why minorities are moving to Trump. See if you agree with the opinions they give as to the behavior of those groups vs the morally aware whites that are deemed to be hearing the right messaging)

A link to any such article would help.

My assertion is that groups tell the truth (and lie) is similar percentages of the population. I've seen no reliable polling that notes a major change in the black electorate. The Latino change is mostly due to general disinterest in both parties for a group that tends to not vote, along with Cuban and Venezualan refugees who like Dolt 45's (ultimately fruitless) chest-thumping towards their respective home countries.

(For reference, I'm not saying I wouldn't react the same way to the increasing cries for "democratic socialism" among dems had I seen Castro or Maduro sweep into power - although I'd argue that neither Sanders nor many other democrats are actual socialists, and thatthey're using the term in a remarkably sloppy manner)

In apparent play for QAnon supporters, GOP attack ads claim Democrat lawmakers are defending 'sex offenders'

Hilarious, given who they've consistently voted for (Dolt 45, Gym Jordan, Roy Moore, etc.)
 
In apparent play for QAnon supporters, GOP attack ads claim Democrat lawmakers are defending 'sex offenders'
It also perpetuates the impression people have of sex offenders as these prowling predators who, as the ad says, hide in the shadows rather like a cat waiting for a passing rodent. Most sexual assaults are perpetrated by people who knew the victim and were close enough to them -- coaches, parents, siblings, uncles, teachers, ministers, et cetera. Sometimes it's an outright assault, sometimes they are groomed over time.

I don't deny that children can also be kidnapped or assaulted outdoors, but it's much more rare than a lot of people think, and you prevent, and discover, a whole lot more abuse by telling kids about boundaries and that they can tell adults if it happens to them, and by remembering that no matter how nice and friendly a person seems, they can still be predators.

Pleased to see the video has a 2:1 negative rating on YouTube, by the way.
 
It also perpetuates the impression people have of sex offenders as these prowling predators who, as the ad says, hide in the shadows rather like a cat waiting for a passing rodent. Most sexual assaults are perpetrated by people who knew the victim and were close enough to them -- coaches, parents, siblings, uncles, teachers, ministers, et cetera. Sometimes it's an outright assault, sometimes they are groomed over time.


These are likely people who grew up or raised children in the era of "Stranger Danger" and never got the update that it was largely a paranoid myth.
 
Trump Retweeted

Molly Nagle
@MollyNagle3
New polls of Arizona and Florida show an oh-so-close race in the states between @realDonaldTrump and @JoeBiden

Arizona
Trump: 49%
Biden: 48%

Florida
Trump: 51%
Biden: 47%
 
Trump's plan to challenge the 2020 election results if he loses, in one tweet
Quote Tweet

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Nov 12, 2018
The Florida Election should be called in favor of Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis in that large numbers of new ballots showed up out of nowhere, and many ballots are missing or forged. An honest vote count is no longer possible-ballots massively infected. Must go with Election Night!
 
A link to any such article would help.

My assertion is that groups tell the truth (and lie) is similar percentages of the population. I've seen no reliable polling that notes a major change in the black electorate. The Latino change is mostly due to general disinterest in both parties for a group that tends to not vote, along with Cuban and Venezualan refugees who like Dolt 45's (ultimately fruitless) chest-thumping towards their respective home countries.
Apologies. I meant to insert it inside the word Politico.

I think the article throws too many pieces of undercooked spaghetti at the fridge but here it is!

Part of the urgency comes from the mixed picture emerging in public polling. A recent Monmouth University poll found Biden at 67 percent support among Black, Latino and Asian voters — far ahead of Trump but below the usual Democratic consolidation of voters of color. Hillary Clinton won the same demographics, 74-21 percent, in 2016.

There’s a “notable swath of voters who are holding back from Biden,” Belcher said. Last week, the pollster shared data with members of Congress that demonstrated Biden’s relative vulnerability among Black men, particularly younger ones. (Belcher did not discuss specifics of the data with POLITICO.)
 
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Trump's plan to challenge the 2020 election results if he loses, in one tweet
Quote Tweet

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Nov 12, 2018
The Florida Election should be called in favor of Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis in that large numbers of new ballots showed up out of nowhere, and many ballots are missing or forged. An honest vote count is no longer possible-ballots massively infected. Must go with Election Night!
Took me a minute to see he was talking about 2018.

But it's still confusing, is he saying ahead of time FL should be called in his favor?
 
Florida seeks investigation on Bloomberg donation on voting

This discussion began in another related thread. Gaetz wrote an op ed in the NYPost then referred to himself in a Tweet.

Gaetz said the AG was looking into Bloomberg because FL law prevents paying people to vote. Obviously this is several steps removed and Gaetz did not cite the law he was referring to.

From my link:
Florida's attorney general asked state and federal law enforcement on Wednesday to investigate possible election law violations after billionaire and former Democratic presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg helped raise more than $16 million for Florida felons to pay their debts so they can vote in the presidential election.

Attorney General Ashley Moody sent letters to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the FBI saying that further investigation is warranted.
But this is odd isn't it? Wouldn't the AG simply bring the case herself?

Then it looks like this precipitated it:
Gov. Ron DeSantis had asked Moody to review allegations that Bloomberg and the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition had violated the law by offering incentives for voting. DeSantis and Moody are both Republicans.

So did Moody pass the ball DeSantis gave her?

It's not usually up to the police agencies (including the FBI) to interpret if an action breaks the law, the police merely present the case they think it does to the DA (prosecutor).

What does the AG expect the FBI and/or state police to find?

This makes more sense of things:
“I have instructed the Statewide Prosecutor to work with law enforcement and any Statewide Grand Jury that the Governor may call," Moody said in a written statement.
Did the governor bring the case to the wrong agency, the AG instead of the state prosecutor?


Finally:
The money Bloomberg raised is targeted for felons who registered to vote while the law was in question and who owe $1,500 or less. That accounts for about 31,100 people, his staffers said. In a state that decided the 2000 presidential election by 537 votes,
So these people already registered to vote, thus no money to motivate them, rather money to clear the way.


Gaetz and DeSantis certainly belong in that deplorables basket.
 
Yet more evidence that Republicans don't care about democracy and are looking to keep power even if they lose the election.

The report delves into possible scenarios if Trump apparently loses the 2020 presidential election but doesn't concede, noting that although we're used to electors being selected based on the popular vote, "nothing in the Constitution says it has to be that way." Citing Republican Party sources, The Atlantic says that Trump's campaign is "discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority."

"Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly," The Atlantic reports. "The longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires."

https://theweek.com/speedreads/939333/missouri-gov-mike-parson-tests-positive-coronavirus
 
Link doesn't seem to go there, it's a corona virus story, followed by Breonna Taylor news

Sorry about that. It seems that website has various pieces of news all on the same page and as you scroll down the link at the top changes to whatever story its on. I've never noticed a site do that before.

I can't edit the post anymore but here is the correct link.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/939191/trump-campaign-reportedly-discussing-contingency-plans-bypass-election-results
 
... So these people already registered to vote, thus no money to motivate them, rather money to clear the way. Gaetz and DeSantis certainly belong in that deplorables basket.


Well, the cards certainly are on the table. This is along with Trump's call to patrol polling places and sign up to dispute mail-in ballots for Biden.

Any remaining Trump supporter should, had they grey matter, also support the removal of that hideous WWII Memorial on the Mall, celebrating the criminals who opposed a good White man, and plow under most of Arlington Cemetery, and topple the Iwo Jima monument. I mean, WTF?

Journalists had better set up cameras around their homes broadcasting 24/7 on the internet, or the world will not witness what is about to happen come November, if that late.
 
Regarding a peaceful transition he said...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...on-if-he-loses-get-rid-ballots-there-n1240896

Well, we're going to have to see what happens," Trump said. "You know that I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots, and the ballots are a disaster."

Pressed further, Trump said: "We'll want to have — get rid of the ballots and you'll have a very — we'll have a very peaceful — there won't be a transfer, frankly. There'll be a continuation."

"I think this will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine justices, and I think the system's going to go very quickly," Trump said at the White House, adding that "having a 4-4 situation is not a good situation."

If he loses he will ask Republican governed states to ignore the vote and choose electors who will instead vote for him. Or he will have the Supreme Court declare him the winner. Or as a last resort he'll have the DOJ declare the election invalid due to fraud and his SS made up of ICE, border patrol, and right wing militia nutjobs will be out in force to put down resistance.

Exactly which method they go with and whether it works, I can't say but Trump will not cede power peacefully
 
Regarding a peaceful transition he said...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...on-if-he-loses-get-rid-ballots-there-n1240896



If he loses he will ask Republican governed states to ignore the vote and choose electors who will instead vote for him. Or he will have the Supreme Court declare him the winner. Or as a last resort he'll have the DOJ declare the election invalid due to fraud and his SS made up of ICE, border patrol, and right wing militia nutjobs will be out in force to put down resistance.

Exactly which method they go with and whether it works, I can't say but Trump will not cede power peacefully


Don't forget that Barr has already been urging federal prosecutors to charge any demonstrators after his reelection with attempting to overthrow the government.
 
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