RBG leaves the stage.

Cervelo said:
That would be a wonderful thing, but after the leftist ran out of money they would just be the next wave of illegal immigrant's.
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True, but maybe this time we can remember the eternal lesson of what is actually necessary to defend a border.
 
For those here that opposed garland not getting a vote and oppose a trump nominee now getting a vote....


What do you actually want the norm to be?
 
BobTheCoward said:
For those here that opposed garland not getting a vote and oppose a trump nominee now getting a vote....


What do you actually want the norm to be?
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Every nominee voted on by the full Senate. The power of the majority leader is ludicrous.
 
BobTheCoward said:
You don't care what the norm is, as long as it is consistent?

Then what is the consistent position for Democrats?
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Stop trying to move the goalposts. Back in 2016 The Republicans insisted that nominations for the Supreme court should wait until after the election. Now in 2020 the Republicans are taking the exact opposite position. The Democratic Party was perfectly content to allow nominations to the SCOTUS in an election year, they are complaining about the breath-taking double-standard being practiced by the Republicans.
 
rdwight said:
Well, that's off the table on both sides. Any other ideas?
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Watch any last semblance of a functioning governmental system go up in smoke? The problem is that the Democrats want to maintain the system while the Republicans have fallen into the hands of those happy to smash it for any momentary gain. It's firemen versus arsonists, and the answer isn't for the firemen to start burning houses down as well.
 
Garrison said:
Stop trying to move the goalposts. Back in 2016 The Republicans insisted that nominations for the Supreme court should wait until after the election. Now in 2020 the Republicans are taking the exact opposite position. The Democratic Party was perfectly content to allow nominations to the SCOTUS in an election year, they are complaining about the breath-taking double-standard being practiced by the Republicans.
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Yeah its about time the Republican's started playing by the same rules as the Dems, get use to it and get ready for another fours years of TDS LOL!
 
Garrison said:
Watch any last semblance of a functioning governmental system go up in smoke? The problem is that the Democrats want to maintain the system while the Republicans have fallen into the hands of those happy to smash it for any momentary gain. It's firemen versus arsonists, and the answer isn't for the firemen to start burning houses down as well.
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Am I the only one seeing discussion about expanding the court in order to pack it with liberal judges if this happens? I feel like there is too much reliance on the Supreme Court. I have no reason to believe the country is all of a sudden going to fall into chaos because a conservative judge will be added. It's wild hyperbole and ignores the very existence of the other branches of government, as if they shouldn't have to do their job.

If the Democrats has a Senate majority, this would not be about shaming Republicans, they would be wielding that power the same way as was done to them. Should have put up more electable choices. As always, a good learning lesson that will hopefully pay dividends over time.
 
Cervelo said:
That would be a wonderful thing, but after the leftist ran out of money they would just be the next wave of illegal immigrant's.
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You don't seem to understand that the blue states kick much more into the federal pot than they draw out, and the red states take much more than they pay. The Northeast and the West Coast could get along just fine without Moscow Mitch's Kentucky and all the other backwoods leeches.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Here’s What HRC Said About Filling A Supreme Court Vacancy In 2016

“The president has a responsibility to nominate a new justice and the Senate has a responsibility to vote.”

that's the line that will be used to justify rushing someone through.

How can the Dems complain when it's what they wanted last time?
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Last time a vacancy opened in mid-February. Now the vacancy opens up in September. It normally takes 10-11 weeks to fill a seat; we're six weeks away from an election. Senators are campaigning. And there's a pandemic. Plus wildfires. And civil unrest.

Voters should have punished McConnell last time for his stunt, but Americans are stupid.
 
Garrison said:
Stop trying to move the goalposts. Back in 2016 The Republicans insisted that nominations for the Supreme court should wait until after the election. Now in 2020 the Republicans are taking the exact opposite position. The Democratic Party was perfectly content to allow nominations to the SCOTUS in an election year, they are complaining about the breath-taking double-standard being practiced by the Republicans.
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As they should complain.....and then take the vote on Trump's nominee (probably during the lame duck period)?

If you want a norm, then you should apply the norm to your own behavior?
 
Garrison said:
Stop trying to move the goalposts. Back in 2016 The Republicans insisted that nominations for the Supreme court should wait until after the election. Now in 2020 the Republicans are taking the exact opposite position. The Democratic Party was perfectly content to allow nominations to the SCOTUS in an election year, they are complaining about the breath-taking double-standard being practiced by the Republicans.
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"I'm okay with the Senate Republicans not voting on Obama's nominee in an election year, as long as they apply the same principle when it's their guy in office," said no Democrat ever.
 
Split into two nations, red versus blue? Be careful what you wish for:
With their output surging as a result of the big-city tilt of the decade’s “winner-take-most” economy, Democratic districts have seen their median household income soar in a decade—from $54,000 in 2008 to $61,000 in 2018. By contrast, the income level in Republican districts began slightly higher in 2008, but then declined from $55,000 to $53,000. Underlying these changes have been eye-popping shifts in economic performance. Democratic-voting districts have seen their GDP per seat grow by a third since 2008, from $35.7 billion to $48.5 billion a seat, whereas Republican districts saw their output slightly decline from $33.2 billion to $32.6 billion.

Democratic districts, for example, have grown significantly more dynamic in the last decade. Overall, “blue” territories have seen their productivity climb from $118,000 per worker in 2008 to $139,000 in 2018 as recent demographic changes and electoral sorting ensured they became better educated and more urban. Republican-district productivity, by contrast, remains stuck at about $110,000, reflecting only slight improvements of bachelor’s degree attainment and Republicans’ increasingly non-metro domain. Link to Brookings Institute report
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Of course, when you live in a social media-driven fantasy world, reality doesn't matter much. Until it's too late. ;)
 

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Bob001 said:
You don't seem to understand that the blue states kick much more into the federal pot than they draw out, and the red states take much more than they pay. The Northeast and the West Coast could get along just fine without Moscow Mitch's Kentucky and all the other backwoods leeches.
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Is that why California the worlds 5th largest economy can't put out fires or keep the power on? Keep dreaming your dream I hope it comes true for you!
 
theprestige said:
"I'm okay with the Senate Republicans not voting on Obama's nominee in an election year, as long as they apply the same principle when it's their guy in office," said no Democrat ever.
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Republicans argued that Obama shouldn't be allowed a pick during an election year; the choice should instead be left to the next president. Republicans claimed that they weren't saying this out of pure self-interest but principle. So, by principle, if an election more than eight months away is too soon, then certainly one that's only six weeks away (in a pandemic) is also too soon.
 
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“It has been 80 years since a Supreme Court vacancy was nominated and confirmed in an election year. There is a long tradition that you don’t do this in an election year.”
Ted Cruz, 2016, following Justice Scalia’s death.

"I believe that the president should next week nominee a successor to the court, and I think it is critical that the Senate takes up and confirms that successor before Election Day, this nomination is why Donald Trump was elected."
Ted Cruz, yesterday.
 
Cervelo said:
Is that why California the worlds 5th largest economy can't put out fires or keep the power on? Keep dreaming your dream I hope it comes true for you!
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Most of the fires are on federal lands. If anybody's not doing their job, it's Trump. The power issues are a problem of mismanagement, not money. And they'd have more money if they weren't shipping so much to the greedy unproductive states.
 
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