RBG leaves the stage.

[TurkeysGhost]

So I guess this settles the matter of whether RGB should have retired in 2013.

Her terrible decision to roll the dice then has put us all in a very precarious situation. It may very well be the undoing of much of her life's work, as a 6-3 conservative court will likely start rolling back all the tooth of civil rights protections, including Roe v Wade.

It's hard to imagine the Republicans making such an unforced error. For all the shortcomings of the Republican party, they definitely understand how to play the political power game better than Democrats.

 

[Garrison]

So I guess this settles the matter of whether RGB should have retired in 2013.

Her terrible decision to roll the dice then has put us all in a very precarious situation. It may very well be the undoing of much of her life's work, as a 6-3 conservative court will likely start rolling back all the tooth of civil rights protections, including Roe v Wade.

It's hard to imagine the Republicans making such an unforced error. For all the shortcomings of the Republican party, they definitely understand how to play the political power game better than Democrats.

Yeah, for all her achievements I suspect this decision will come to dominate opinions of her, she could easily have stood aside and guaranteed a likeminded replacement.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

I think Trump should ram a replacement through, but all of you who are gnashing and rending about the consequences of that can rest easy, I think.

The two appointees Trump has already made, as well as those Bush put on the court, etc. - all seem like they're pretty unwilling to actually do anything conservative.

The more weight the decision carries, the less likely they would be. So something like repealing Roe v. Wade, etc. - there is basically a zero percent chance of them doing.

 

[theprestige]

And if you had zero judges....you would have possibly different decisions in different districts. That isn't awful.

I think not having any justices on the court at all might actually be a constitutional crisis. Luckily that's not a problem we're facing right now.

 

[alfaniner]

I don't think it is contrary for someone to think "this person will die in the next year or 2" yet still be taken by surprise when it does happen. After all RBG had been through some medical treatments recently but I don't think there was anything to suggest her death was imminent.

I'd guess that CNN and the other networks already had their life tribute show about 99% prepared and ready to air. (I know, there was already one done last year.)

 

[BobTheCoward]

I think not having any justices on the court at all might actually be a constitutional crisis. Luckily that's not a problem we're facing right now.

There are few things that only the supreme court can hear. If they are not the final arbiter, than a lower court is the final arbiter.

 

[varwoche]

So I guess this settles the matter of whether RGB should have retired in 2013.

Her terrible decision to roll the dice then has put us all in a very precarious situation. It may very well be the undoing of much of her life's work, as a 6-3 conservative court will likely start rolling back all the tooth of civil rights protections, including Roe v Wade.

It's hard to imagine the Republicans making such an unforced error. For all the shortcomings of the Republican party, they definitely understand how to play the political power game better than Democrats.

And then there's Bill Clinton's foolish choice to nominate someone so old, while Clarence Thomas was still in diapers.

 

[theprestige]

There are few things that only the supreme court can hear. If they are not the final arbiter, than a lower court is the final arbiter.

Good point.

Seems like it's still the kind of thing that people could argue over. A lot, to the point of the argument escalating to a constitutional crisis. But whatevs. An 8-person court is not a constitutional crisis. I have no idea what JoeMorgue is trying to say.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell vowed to put President Donald Trump's Supreme Court nominee to a vote within hours of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death being announced, sparking outrage among Democrats.

Mr McConnell said he would act swiftly, despite the election six weeks away.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54216710

 

[BobTheCoward]

Here is how I reconcile my feelings.

The white, rich men of the 1790s and 1860s(bill of rights and the 14th amendment era, used extensively in liberal rulings), were probably terrible human beings by current liberal standards.

When it comes to applying the meaning of the constitution, the terrible human beings with terrible views put on the court by republicans are likely closer to these drafters in demeanor and intellect than liberal judges.

 

[Segnosaur]

I think Trump should ram a replacement through, but all of you who are gnashing and rending about the consequences of that can rest easy, I think.

The two appointees Trump has already made, as well as those Bush put on the court, etc. - all seem like they're pretty unwilling to actually do anything conservative.

The last significant abortion bill that came up, both Gorsuch and Drunky Mcrapeface voted against abortion rights. It was only thanks to Roberts that the law in question was struck down (and that was only because it violated precident). A far-right conservative replacement for RBG that follows the Gorsuch/Kavanaugh pattern would have caused the anti-abortion law in question to have stood.





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[Resume]

Latest from Meidas Touch.

Demand Decency

Lindsey Graham wants his words used against him, so we should all get right on that.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Dinesh D'Souza tweeted

@DineshDSouza
The last time around we delayed Obama’s nominee Merrick Garland but that’s because we controlled the Senate and used our legitimate elected authority to block an ideological adversary. Why should we now be so stupid as to do something like that to ourselves? #RBGRIP

 

[TurkeysGhost]

White liberal women are terrified right now that the government is going to start treating them like the minority women that they continue to ignore...

Like imagine saying your body and rights are now threatened when Ice is literally sterilizing women and historically speaking have terrorized black and brown communities for centuries.

https://twitter.com/herosnvrdie69/status/1307307259010207744

I'm guessing this means no brunch.

 

[BobTheCoward]

The last significant abortion bill that came up, both Gorsuch and Drunky Mcrapeface voted against abortion rights. It was only thanks to Roberts that the law in question was struck down (and that was only because it violated precident). A far-right conservative replacement for RBG that follows the Gorsuch/Kavanaugh pattern would have caused the anti-abortion law in question to have stood.





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But do you think their decision striking down abortion would be constitutionally correct or incorrect?

 

[Bob001]

So I guess this settles the matter of whether RGB should have retired in 2013.
....

It's another argument for term limits for all federal judges. A 20-year term would have carried RBG into 2013. Thomas and Breyer would be long gone. A regular, predictable turnover would reduce the impact any one President could have on the judiciary and would prevent the kind of dumpster fire we're about to see.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Here is how I reconcile my feelings.

The white, rich men of the 1790s and 1860s(bill of rights and the 14th amendment era, used extensively in liberal rulings), were probably terrible human beings by current liberal standards.

When it comes to applying the meaning of the constitution, the terrible human beings with terrible views put on the court by republicans are likely closer to these drafters in demeanor and intellect than liberal judges.

Of course they are.

Which is why we should all be hoping for the country to split into (at least) two smaller countries. Nobody should want the current tensions to die down so that we can all continue on being miserable like this.

Let us have a country that continues to be somewhat recognizable / consistent with the founders and their intentions / worldview - and the leftists can go forward with their completely unrecognizable country that would absolutely horrify all Americans, especially the founders, from 1776 - 1995 or so.

 

[Cervelo]

This poor woman had so much pressure to hang on. She could have retired years ago and enjoyed her remaining time. She has done so much for this country, she should be remembered as a hero.

Of course, the Trumpistas are already pissing on her grave.

You got that right

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

@GOP We were put in this position of power and importance to make decisions for the people who so proudly elected us, the most important of which has long been considered to be the selection of United States Supreme Court Justices. We have this obligation, without delay!

Thank you Harry!
Quote Tweet

Steven Rattner
@SteveRattne
Harry Reid will go down in history for having handed the court to conservatives when he took the first step toward eliminating the 60 vote requirement for confirmation.
https://nytimes.com/2020/09/18/us/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-dies-at-87.html?smid=tw-share

 

[Cervelo]

Of course they are.

Which is why we should all be hoping for the country to split into (at least) two smaller countries. Nobody should want the current tensions to die down so that we can all continue on being miserable like this.

Let us have a country that continues to be somewhat recognizable / consistent with the founders and their intentions / worldview - and the leftists can go forward with their completely unrecognizable country that would absolutely horrify all Americans, especially the founders, from 1776 - 1995 or so.

That would be a wonderful thing, but after the leftist ran out of money they would just be the next wave of illegal immigrant's.