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Sweden's liberal pandemic strategy questioned as Stockholm death toll mounts

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Clutch Cargo said:
Utterly off topic.




Yes. We know nothing and that is why the reports fluctuate so greatly. One day we know something and the next day we don’t. What was true yesterday is proven false today. Knowing that we were wrong yesterday means, in essence, that we know less today than we did thenn .... and the same will be said tomorrow. Too much is mere speculation – most of it crap – so we plod along following the media that knows less than we do and quoting out-of-context and misleading statistics that are spun and tweaked for each political agenda. But there must be an echo here because I'm sure I said this before. Perhaps you missed it.

Would you care to comment on that?
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Yes. Australia locked down when the virus hit and places with, by international standards, very low infection rates are still locked down, like Victoria with 6 million people and 40 or so infections a day. Sweden didn't.

Open your eyes. The Swedish government made disastrous decisions and the country is still suffering. Places like New Zealand and Australia made prudent decisions and can look to the future with optimism.

And despite what you assert, we do know what works. Some stupid countries (not only Sweden) made atrocious decisions.
 
Clutch Cargo said:
Gosh! All of this "Cry wolf!" and yet each match of the 2020 European Women's Handball Championship will be played with a minimum of 500 spectators in Denmark. Maybe the Danish haven't been told about the Coronavirus? Golly! Let's hope they have a cavalcade of ambulances at the ready! :eek:

https://www.vk.se/2020-09-10/klartecken-for-handbolls-em-med-publik

:D :D :D :D :D
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Yeah, people using masks and distance to try to get back to normal, what are they thinking :rolleyes::boggled:

If only they asked some random person on the web, they would know the truth. :cool:
 
RedStapler said:
Yeah, people using masks and distance to try to get back to normal, what are they thinking :rolleyes::boggled:
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Dreadful isn't it. :jaw-dropp

RedStapler said:
If only they asked some random person on the web, they would know the truth. :cool:
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. :rolleyes: There are a couple of guys here on this very thread who know more about it than all of the experts just by reading the interpretation of the experts by the media. I guess it's like a snowball. You know ... a bit of knowledge seeps out of the soup can and once the media gets hold of it and adds their spin and tweak before you know it, presto ... it can fill a barrel.
 
Clutch Cargo said:
Dreadful isn't it. :jaw-dropp


Yeah, that's what I was thinking. :rolleyes: There are a couple of guys here on this very thread who know more about it than all of the experts just by reading the interpretation of the experts by the media. I guess it's like a snowball. You know ... a bit of knowledge seeps out of the soup can and once the media gets hold of it and adds their spin and tweak before you know it, presto ... it can fill a barrel.
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Riiight.

None of this waffle hides the fact that Sweden ****** up royally. The figures speak for themselves.
 
Clutch Cargo said:
Dreadful isn't it. :jaw-dropp


Yeah, that's what I was thinking. :rolleyes: There are a couple of guys here on this very thread who know more about it than all of the experts just by reading the interpretation of the experts by the media. I guess it's like a snowball. You know ... a bit of knowledge seeps out of the soup can and once the media gets hold of it and adds their spin and tweak before you know it, presto ... it can fill a barrel.
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Yeah, it is hilarious.
 
lionking said:
None of this waffle hides the fact that Sweden ****** up royally.
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... and where is this "fact"? I mean seriously if it's an undisputed "fact" then the world really needs to know about it. Oh! I see! You want us to take YOUR word for it. Yeah, I get it.



lionking said:
The figures speak for themselves.
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No doubt, but they speak TO YOU. I mean the figures that YOU believe, ignoring all the rest as well as the in/and out of context figures. That's wonderful! I am so impressed that from now on I won't read anything on the subject unless YOU sanction the info within. :dig:
 
Clutch Cargo said:
... and where is this "fact"? I mean seriously if it's an undisputed "fact" then the world really needs to know about it. Oh! I see! You want us to take YOUR word for it. Yeah, I get it.




No doubt, but they speak TO YOU. I mean the figures that YOU believe, ignoring all the rest as well as the in/and out of context figures. That's wonderful! I am so impressed that from now on I won't read anything on the subject unless YOU sanction the info within. :dig:
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Oh my goodness.

Like it or not we have an almost perfect controlled experiment going on here. We can look at a range of first world democracies with good health, education, political, media, nutrition and communication systems. Not much difference between, for example, Australia and Sweden. Agreed?

And then we can look at government action.

When it comes to response to covid, the variable is one country locked down and the other did not. You are welcome to make up, er propose other variables like, oh I don’t know, existence of marsupials or something, but the two countries compare very well.

The results? And these are not my figures at all, and you know it.

Sweden, population 10m, covid deaths 6000
Australia, population 25m, covid deaths 800.

Unarguable. Sweden ****** up.
 
Samson said:
Meanwhile a flagrant and very sick disbeliever weighs in, note Anders Tegnall now dons virginal white garb as the deification moves apace.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12364015
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Very interesting article, Samson - mainly based on an interview with a retired "epidemiologist," ... "former public health researcher from the University of Queensland who has called Sweden home for 20 years."

"In Sweden it's estimated there are over 150,000 people who have been ill with Covid-19 symptoms now for more than 10 weeks. I am one of them. For many weeks I had blood oxygen levels that under normal circumstances would trigger a clinical assessment of supplemental oxygen."
When he first became ill, the advice from doctors was to stay away.
"Having suspected I had Covid-19, I was told not to even go to the doctor for fear of infecting health staff," he says.
Steadson says what is perhaps even more concerning is the portrayal of the virus in Sweden's media.
"Media outlets seem more concerned with protecting Sweden's image than they do in reporting the facts, and challenging the authorities over some of the frankly outrageous statements they make is left almost entirely to foreign journalists," he says.
The deliberate ignorance sits heavy on his chest, like the virus he has been fighting since March.
Some days it feels like "someone is strangling me", he says. He stays awake until the small hours of the morning when his body is finally "too exhausted to stay awake".
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Swedish consensus culture endangers your health!
The number of 'long-haulers' is staggering when you consider Sweden's number of registered cases, 86,505, but it's no wonder when even people who were seriously ill from Covid-19 sometimes weren't tested.

However, I think the journalist got this wrong:

In the past week just 1.3 per cent of tests showed Covid-19 cases, compared to more than 19 per cent at the pandemic's peak. The number is lower than in neighbouring Norway and Denmark.
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I think that the percentage of positive tests in Denmark after the massive rise in cases in the recent two weeks is now approaching Sweden's 1.3 percent. (I failed to find the most recent number.) For the past few months, it was much lower.
 
Friday:
Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Sep. 11, 2020)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 578 (5,846) 311* 13 *according to SVT.se.
Denmark: 109 (629) 292 7
Finland: 61 (337) 43 1
Norway: 49 (265) 58 1
Iceland: 29 (10) 4 0
Iceland has 72 active cases, Faroe Islands 6, New Zealand 114.
The Faroe Islands have 7 in quarantine, 1 hospitalized, and all tests from yesterday analyzed.
 
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