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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 25

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Bob001 said:
What is that supposed to mean? Going back to Watergate, Woodward has demonstrated a unique ability to uncover and report facts that the powerful would conceal. That's what a journalist is supposed to do. One of the great failings of modern journalism is that too many journalists see themselves as stenographers or scorekeepers, rather than advocates for truth.
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Funny, this is precisely something of which Woodward has been accused, especially during the W. Bush administration.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

I will be announcing a list of future potential Supreme Court Justices at 3:30 P.M. Eastern from the Diplomatic Reception Room of the White House.
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I know stubby Mcbonespurs is trying to whip up his own base, but that seems like it has a chance to backfire.

Most of the MAGAchuds won't know the names, but having a list may give his opponents plenty of ammunition. (With all sorts of dirt uncovered on them.)

One of the reasons Trump is losing suburban women was his nomination of Drunky Mcrapeface... Why drag that up again unnecessarily?

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nelsondogg said:
It's given that Trump's an ass, but why would Woodward sit on these tapes for 6 months as thousands of people died and Trump kept downplaying it. What a dick.
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You have a point I hadn't considered.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Right now the attack ads seem to focus on his attacks on military servicemen, but IMO, the way Trump deliberately let the pandemic run free, especially in blue states, for political reasons, should be the #1 thing for his opponents to use against him. It may even top every single other vile and idiotic things he has said and done.

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I agree that his vivid response was Trump's greatest failure. But I am not sure it is the best way to attack him. MAGAchuds lack both empathy and intelligence, so pointing out how trump let the blue states suffer from Covid19 is just as likely to result in a "ha ha! He is really owning the libs!" Than it is to make them change their vote.

But point out trump hates the military? Well that may get at least some to consider changing their vote (or at least sitting out the next election).


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Babbylonian said:
Let’s be real here. He saved it to increase the effect on his book sales.
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Correct. Woodward's interest in the information is clearly only in the shock value as a mechanism for driving attention to his book. If he simply thought releasing the material was in the public interest, he would have done so long before nearly 200,000 Americans died.
 
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Delphic Oracle said:
Okay.

Is there any credibility to that accusation?

"People are saying..." isn't really all that authoritative.
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Christopher Hitchens said it about Woodward in 1996.

You'll have to evaluate for yourself the credibility of the accusation and perhaps decide for yourself if access journalism is a problem.

In any case, I have not made any claims about Woodward's reporting accuracy. I certainly can't fault him for getting Trump to speak on the record, especially for getting him to contradict his own lies. Although Trump is obviously, abysmally stupid, Woodward's ability to get him talking is still admirable.
 
Babbylonian said:
Christopher Hitchens said it about Woodward in 1996.



You'll have to evaluate for yourself the credibility of the accusation and perhaps decide for yourself if access journalism is a problem.



In any case, I have not made any claims about Woodward's reporting accuracy. I certainly can't fault him for getting Trump to speak on the record, especially for getting him to contradict his own lies. Although Trump is obviously, abysmally stupid, Woodward's ability to get him talking is still admirable.
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This article leads me to the impression that Hitchens disagrees with Woodward on many things.

Nothing in it strikes me as substantiating the claim made.

It read as a whiny, bitter diatribe.

You've uncritically repeated an accusation you heard. That Woodward is a "stenographer."

Think about that...
 
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Delphic Oracle said:
This article leads me to the impression that Hitchens disagrees with Woodward on many things.

Nothing in it strikes me as substantiating the claim made.

It read as a whiny, bitter diatribe.

You've uncritically repeated an accusation you heard. That Woodward is a "stenographer."

Think about that...
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I said the accusation had been made, yes. I was correct and I apologize for that. I'll try to fix the problem in the future.
 
Firestone said:
Q: "Did you mislead the public?"

President Trump: "Well, I think if you said in order to reduce panic, perhaps that's so. The fact is, I'm a cheerleader for this country. I love our country and I don't want people to be frightened. I don't want to create panic."

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1303789889448751106?s=19

Also Trump:

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https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1303783048304046080?s=19
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Except for the folks in the suburbs, who need to be frightened of all those "other" folks coming to invade.
 
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