Electric Universe Black Hole Theory

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This thread is an invitation to Sol88 and other Electric Universe adherents to explain their theories about black holes. They are supposed to have tremendous magnetic fields with effects such as powerful jets that mainstream science still has no clear grip on, so there must be plenty of interest in these phenomena in the EU community.

Sol88 has expressed his view that black holes do not exist. This is an opportunity to explain what are we then seeing? What is driving what we have seen in the first pictures of "alleged" black holes?

Why is stuff rotating around these phenomena at speeds that are close to the speed of light when the theory of relativity is rejected? The very theory that has successfully predicted the precession of the stars rotating close to the "alleged" black holes? How can EU explain this precession?

Since black holes are inextricably linked to GR, any discussion of the EU replacement for GR is welcome.
 
steenkh said:
This thread is an invitation to Sol88 and other Electric Universe adherents to explain their theories about black holes. They are supposed to have tremendous magnetic fields with effects such as powerful jets that mainstream science still has no clear grip on, so there must be plenty of interest in these phenomena in the EU community.

Sol88 has expressed his view that black holes do not exist. This is an opportunity to explain what are we then seeing? What is driving what we have seen in the first pictures of "alleged" black holes?

Why is stuff rotating around these phenomena at speeds that are close to the speed of light when the theory of relativity is rejected? The very theory that has successfully predicted the precession of the stars rotating close to the "alleged" black holes? How can EU explain this precession?

Since black holes are inextricably linked to GR, any discussion of the EU replacement for GR is welcome.
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Ummmmm... plasma?

:D
 
Come on, you can do better than that! What drives it, why does this plasma cause precession of object orbiting it?
 
Well, I'm not actually one of the electric universe woowooists, so I have no idea how they think. But if I had to make up some justification as an exercise, I'd say it's pretty easy.

I mean, nobody actually saw a black hole per se. All you can see are
A) the ionized jets at the poles, if you're lucky enough for them to be pointed more or less in your direction, or
B) the photons emitted by the accretion disk (that's what was in those recent photos), or
C) the incandescent matter from some star being slurped, or
D) if you're lucky, all the above.

You'll notice that all of those involve (A) ionized matter, and (B) emitting photons. None of them will make someone even bat an eye, if they're the kind of person who'll actually believe that the sun is essentially a big lightbulb, converting electricity into heat and light.

I mean, so you photographed a glowing donut, which is the accretion disk around a black hole. Well, a current loop through some plasma will look just the same, innit?
 
HansMustermann said:
Well, I'm not actually one of the electric universe woowooists, so I have no idea how they think.
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I'm not even sure what the idea actually is. Is it just saying the EM force is the only one there really is so everything that people think is explained by one of the others really has an EM explanation, although I'm not familiar with their exact explanations for various specific examples? That's just weird. What would have made anyone even think of that? With most other anti-science or science-conspiracy "theories", I at least understand where they came from. Flat Earth, creationism, satanic panic: religion. 9-11 inside job, latest military hardware always sucks, no such thing as races: politics. But what religious or political agenda would lead to anybody wanting to deny scientific stuff that's fairly basic but also not really an issue in people's daily lives? Flat Earth and electric universe both seem to involve denying gravity. Are they connected or is the anti-gravity thing a coincidence?

HansMustermann said:
...if they're the kind of person who'll actually believe that the sun is essentially a big lightbulb, converting electricity into heat and light.
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OK, so they have a problem with not only gravity but also nuclear particle physics? I guess that fits since it involves a couple more forces that aren't EM, and is made possible by gravitational compression, but it's an aspect of "electric universe" that I haven't heard of before and didn't anticipate, since I would have thought that enough of the real description of the sun was already about light & magnetism to keep a fan of the EM force happy.

Anyway...

HansMustermann said:
I mean, nobody actually saw a black hole per se. All you can see are
A) the ionized jets at the poles, if you're lucky enough for them to be pointed more or less in your direction, or
B) the photons emitted by the accretion disk (that's what was in those recent photos), or
C) the incandescent matter from some star being slurped, or
D) if you're lucky, all the above.
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Also stars making sudden sharp turns around a point in space with nothing visible in it.
 
Delvo said:
But what religious or political agenda would lead to anybody wanting to deny scientific stuff that's fairly basic but also not really an issue in people's daily lives? Flat Earth and electric universe both seem to involve denying gravity. Are they connected or is the anti-gravity thing a coincidence?
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Actually, as far as I can tell -- but it's just a subjective impression -- denying science is the end, not the means for a lot of people. Going anti-science dumbass is the whole point.

Delvo said:
Also stars making sudden sharp turns around a point in space with nothing visible in it.
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I'm pretty sure that for someone proposing EM as an explanation, things taking sharp turns isn't really a problem.
 
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