Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

Mumbles said:
A pair of brothers where I grew up were both violent drug traffickers. Beat women, raped teenaged girls, etc. Eventually, one killed the other, and the cops couldn't ignore it, so he was hauled off to prison, when he rotted and died.

We called it a 2-for-1 special.

Once you pass a certain point, I genuinely no longer care if you're hauled off or killed. And we do, all to often, imprison people for petty crimes, tossing away both talen and money without cause...but some people gotta go, and it's all their own fault.

Murdered two people because someone threw a plastic bag at you? Buh-bye!

Joined a white supremacist gang and went rampaging through a city until someone shot you dead? Here's an alternative idea, and it's virtually free. Stay in your damn home and bitch about it online, like I'm doing. Nobody's busting shots in *my* direction.



To be fair...Very few people see any point in setting fires in buildings either - although this supposed fire that would burn down Wheeler's apartment building seems to have actually been a minor trash fire in the middle of the street. And I've said my piece about shooting off fireworks around people who've been dealing with police-fired explosives for months before - it can trigger PTSD, don't be a jerk.

But yeah, the guys ranting about how they're going to open fire, who then drive through cities opening fire on everyone? **** 'em.



I can easily see Dolt 45 doing exactly that, mostly because he's a willfully ignorant sociopathic white supremacist. I wouldn't say the same of the majority of US politicians, regardless of political party. Granted, republicans look like a pack of cowards groveling in front of Cheeto Benito's Twitter Armada and his death cult worshippers. But they're the ones that walked into the lion's den, so I'm hoping the lions are satisfied with eating them.
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Bingo.

I’m tired of these ************* white-supremisists and fascists in my ************* Executive branch; and the legislature, and the Judiciary branch, and in police forces across the country, and in my ************* neighborhood.

**** em
 
autumn1971 said:
Yes. Someone once pointed out that a riot is the speech of those whose speech is unheard.
You have it backwards:
“Yes, the police shouldn’t be allowed to shoot unarmed people, but property damage is really bad.”
Is worlds away from, “we all know property damage is bad, but STOP ******* SHOOTING UNARMED BLACK MEN.”
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There's an element in here that I think goes overlooked.

Police should stop shooting unarmed black men.

Rioters should stop damaging property that belongs to NOT-POLICE.

The people causing property damage aren't acting against the police, they're acting against innocent bystanders for no good reason at all. If this were a way, we'd have one side being absolute ******** and murdering all of their enemies and not taking any prisoners or showing any mercy (this would be the police). The other side, however, is attacking schoolchildren and civilians.

Fight against oppressors - Yes!!! DO NOT loot your allies and burn down the businesses of innocent people who aren't the ones shooting at you!
 
There has been some talk of Rittenhouse's lawyer, Lin Wood. While the exploits of this attorney would normally be off-topic in this thread, I feel the need to bring up a few recent events, as you will undoubtedly be hearing about him a bit in the weeks to come.

Some of the commenters in this thread believe that Rittenhouse is in good hands. Fellow posters, believe me when I tell you that if this man were to offer me free advice regarding a parking ticket, I would hastily decline.

A few days ago, some of his former legal partners filed a lawsuit against him after a nasty business-divorce and a disagreement over fees and the lease on a shared office. The details are in dispute and, frankly, kinda boring.

So why am I bringing it up at all? There is an extremely unhinged side to Lin Wood. If you go to the lawsuit filed by his former partners and scroll about halfway down, you can read some of the e-mails Wood sent to his coworkers, and you will learn why they found him so difficult to work with. Fellow posters, believe me when I tell you that it contains some of the most unhinged ranting I have ever witnessed in my life.

From an e-mail sent to multiple recipients at 3:45 AM:
You all better get on your knees and pray to Almighty God that He now asks me to show you mercy. If he does, I will show it, if he does not, I will deliver a fiery judgment against you on earth. Who the **** did you think you were dealing with? You were screwing around me with, but I was someone else in disguise. You in fact have been screwing around with God Almighty. I am not God. You lied when you told others that I thought I was…. I am L. Lin Wood – the sole member of L. Lin Wood, P.C. The architect of the most masterful and powerful Valentine’s Day massacre known in American history. The last one killed seven. Mine will ruin many more before it is over. Deservedly so.
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There's quite a bit more like this. It really is the kind of stuff you expect to see referred to as "the shooter's manifesto" after some horrible tragedy.
 
I Am The Scum said:
There has been some talk of Rittenhouse's lawyer, Lin Wood. While the exploits of this attorney would normally be off-topic in this thread, I feel the need to bring up a few recent events, as you will undoubtedly be hearing about him a bit in the weeks to come.

Some of the commenters in this thread believe that Rittenhouse is in good hands. Fellow posters, believe me when I tell you that if this man were to offer me free advice regarding a parking ticket, I would hastily decline.

A few days ago, some of his former legal partners filed a lawsuit against him after a nasty business-divorce and a disagreement over fees and the lease on a shared office. The details are in dispute and, frankly, kinda boring.

So why am I bringing it up at all? There is an extremely unhinged side to Lin Wood. If you go to the lawsuit filed by his former partners and scroll about halfway down, you can read some of the e-mails Wood sent to his coworkers, and you will learn why they found him so difficult to work with. Fellow posters, believe me when I tell you that it contains some of the most unhinged ranting I have ever witnessed in my life.

From an e-mail sent to multiple recipients at 3:45 AM:


There's quite a bit more like this. It really is the kind of stuff you expect to see referred to as "the shooter's manifesto" after some horrible tragedy.
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It's just another manic Monday
I wish it was Sunday
'twas my lucky bun day
You know what I mean.
I love her each weekday, each velvety cheek day
You know what I mean...
 
Ziggurat said:
To clarify: is it OK for rioters to damage property that belongs to police?
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And the city, and the state, and the federal government. They're all intertwined with the police who have decided that they're playing a game of Judge Dread rather than actually doing their jobs.

I can understand private property being off limits, but the people FUND all the public property in the government. They should have the rights to do with it what they please. If the system is going to support murder with impunity, I see no problem with torching the system.

The system IS the people after all.

Disagree?
 
GaughEyad said:
I can understand private property being off limits, but the people FUND all the public property in the government. They should have the rights to do with it what they please. If the system is going to support murder with impunity, I see no problem with torching the system.

The system IS the people after all.

Disagree?
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This is incoherent drivel. To the extent that you and I can dispose of government property as we see fit, how do you reconcile a disagreement between you and I over what to do with that property? If it belongs to both of us, then why should your decision to torch it take priority over my decision to use it for some other purpose?

We actually have a mechanism for making that determination. See if you can figure it out. And once you do, figure out if that mechanism is being used here.
It isn’t.
 
Meadmaker said:
A 17 year old kid is going away for life because he carried a gun to a nearby state and killed two people. Or.....maybe I shouldn't leap to conclusions.....maybe the real story is that a 17 year old kid was violently assaulted in the streets and had to resort to deadly force to save his own life.
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I've been trying to figure out what happened in this incident and it seems that those who support Kyle Rittenhouse argue that it was all done in self-defence.

Certainly, some video shows him being attacked by protesters who shout about how they are going to beat him up. There are definitely pictures of him being kicked, and hit with a skateboard, and when he shot one person in the arm, the hand connected to that arm is holding a pistol. That looks like self-defence, right?

Maybe not! There are at least a few problems with the self-defence argument:

1.) We don't really know how he came to shoot dead the first person. Was he simply protecting someone's property? Maybe, but was he protecting his own property or just randomly shooting someone he thought was looting/destroying someone else's property? If it is the former, maybe it would count as self-defence, but I highly doubt he owned it.

2.) Was it legal for him to be carrying the weapon in the first place? From what I understand, whether the state was open-carry or not, he was a minor. If it was not legal for him to open carry as a minor in Illinois or Wisconsin, then he would be committing a crime (I don't know if this is a felony or misdemeanor). Well...

Wisconsin is an open carry state. This means that gun owners can carry a loaded gun in public. Gun owners do not need a permit or license to carry a gun in public. A person is considered to be “openly carrying” a gun when a casual observer can see the weapon.

To open carry, you need to be at least 18 years old.
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Link
 
tyr_13 said:
Reports are that the police just killed him too.
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SEATTLE — A man being investigated in the fatal shooting of a right-wing activist who was part of a pro-Trump caravan in Portland, Ore., was killed on Thursday night when authorities moved to arrest him, according to three law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation.

The officials said the suspect, Michael Forest Reinoehl, 48, was killed during the encounter in Lacey, Wash., southwest of Seattle, when a federal fugitive task force moved to apprehend him.

An arrest warrant had been issued by the Portland police earlier Thursday, on the same day that Vice News published an interview with Mr. Reinoehl in which he appeared to admit to the shooting, saying, “I had no choice.”

The Portland police had been investigating Saturday’s shooting death of Aaron J. Danielson, one of the supporters of President Trump who came into downtown Portland and clashed with protesters demonstrating against racial injustice and police brutality.
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NY TIMES
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Anything besides "he was killed during the encounter"? Like, how? Was he resisting? Was he armed? Did he overdose on fentanyl?
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Nothing that I can see. I don't even know what time the arrest was supposed to have been attempted. Maybe social media will be ahead of this.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Anything besides "he was killed during the encounter"? Like, how? Was he resisting? Was he armed? Did he overdose on fentanyl?
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Probably still too busy trying to come up with some story that'll at least vaguely resemble the facts as they come out.
 
So, apparently Donald Trump tweeted this an hour ago:

Why aren’t the Portland Police ARRESTING the cold blooded killer of Aaron “Jay” Danielson. Do your job, and do it fast. Everybody knows who this thug is. No wonder Portland is going to hell!
@TheJusticeDept

@FBI
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I think he was already dead by the time the Tweet went out.
 
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