2020 Presidential Election

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HoverBoarder said:
My best friend in college who grew up in Minneapolis told me that "there is not a gas station or grocery store left that is not burned down within five miles of where I used to live.

I responded "that's terrible, are they going to rebuild?"

"Naw man," he said. "They're all poor man."

"That's sad," I responded.
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I'm sure he meant it as hyperbole, but a 5 mile radius is 78 square miles, and the entire city of Minneapolis is only 57 square miles. I doubt that every gas station and grocery store in the entire city has been destroyed.
 
Biden has condemned the violence no matter which side it's coming from and he's right on that. The BLM movement has right on its side...as long as it remains peaceful, but within almost every movement you have the extremists that ruin it and BLM certainly has those. When BLM first started protesting, it was peaceful and the fast majority of the country was on their side. Then the extremists/trouble makers came out and things became violent. It's got to stop because it only plays directly into Trump's hand and he's using it as only he can.
 
HoverBoarder said:
I am not sure why you would need someone to Google that for you, but sure.

I also don't want to get too far into a sidetrack. However, the peaceful protests for social justice change, and the violent riots that have been apart of a number of cities are likely the most important factor in determining the election behind COVID 19.

How those affect polling and the ads/messaging from the candidates on those issues should likely be the focus for this particular issue in terms of this thread.


You can see plenty of pictures of burned sections of cities if you look for it.

https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/l...ion_841011d8-1f69-584b-b99e-8640ecbd4945.html

https://www.twincities.com/2020/06/...is-show-the-extent-of-destruction-from-riots/


My best friend in college who grew up in Minneapolis told me that "there is not a gas station or grocery store left that is not burned down within five miles of where I used to live.

I responded "that's terrible, are they going to rebuild?"

"Naw man," he said. "They're all poor man."

"That's sad," I responded.
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I don't think a couple of square blocks in a couple of cities is the thing Delphic was looking for:
"huge sections" of American cities burned out
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Crap the LA riots, the Detroit riots, even the Watts riots had actual "huge sections" of those cities burned out.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I don't think a couple of square blocks in a couple of cities is the thing Delphic was looking for:

Crap the LA riots, the Detroit riots, even the Watts riots had actual "huge sections" of those cities burned out.
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I am sure that it is easy to handwave away as long as you don't have a business or a home in those 'couple of blocks' that have been burned down and destroyed.

However, there is a significant portion of those cities that have been destroyed, a larger significant amount of business that have left because of the violent riots (it was 10,000 jobs lost a month ago in Minneapolis, and many more after the recent riots at the end of August), and there is an even a greater swath of voters that have been swayed by the violence.

All of Portland is certainly not on fire, but there has been more that enough riots, assaults, and protest based shootings for it to be a major election issue.

For the purpose of this thread, COVID 19 will likely have more of an influence on the outcome of the election, but the rioters will likely be the last thing to have the most major impact on who wins the election.
 
HoverBoarder said:
For the purpose of this thread, COVID 19 will likely have more of an influence on the outcome of the election, but the rioters will likely be the last thing to have the most major impact on who wins the election.
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OMG, is that a meteorite heading straight for us?!?
 
HoverBoarder said:
I am sure that it is easy to handwave away as long as you don't have a business or a home in those 'couple of blocks' that have been burned down and destroyed.

However, there is a significant portion of those cities that have been destroyed, a larger significant amount of business that have left because of the violent riots (it was 10,000 jobs lost a month ago in Minneapolis, and many more after the recent riots at the end of August), and there is an even a greater swath of voters that have been swayed by the violence.

All of Portland is certainly not on fire, but there has been more that enough riots, assaults, and protest based shootings for it to be a major election issue.

For the purpose of this thread, COVID 19 will likely have more of an influence on the outcome of the election, but the rioters will likely be the last thing to have the most major impact on who wins the election.
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I live in the Seattle suburb of Bellevue. My son lives in Seattle and only recently moved out of the neighborhood next to the CHOP Zone. No one said there wasn't anyone harmed by the small number of idiots who think the noise they are making is making a difference. They are not a serious part of BLM.

But the issue here was the absurd distortion there were/are "'huge sections' of American cities burned out."
So don't shift the goal posts and expect no one will notice.
 
Minoosh said:
That article raises an interesting question - why do so many people expect approval ratings to go up and down? Trump's approval never changes - and he never changes, so maybe that makes sense. Not cracking much over 40 percent would unnerve other presidents, but Trump just goes with the presumption that he can win with a minority so he keeps that minority happy.

I do think the 40 percent probably unnerves some of his allies in Congress.
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Trump's approval ratings are just a couple points off of Obamas at this same time in the presidency. Trump is 3 or 4 pts higher now than Obama's lowest ratings. (44 vs 40%)
I think Trump won the election with VERY low ratings (obviously not presidential ones since he had not won yet). 31% or so.

I do not think this particular rating means very much.

Just look it up. Numbers galore and I'm not sure who is most accurate so do your best to decide on your own. :)
 
HoverBoarder said:
I am sure that it is easy to handwave away as long as you don't have a business or a home in those 'couple of blocks' that have been burned down and destroyed.
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Yet we've expected the black community to handwave around members of their community being murdered in the streets by police for decades now.
 
HoverBoarder said:
I am sure that it is easy to handwave away as long as you don't have a business or a home in those 'couple of blocks' that have been burned down and destroyed.
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It's hardly a handwave to point out that the claim put forth about large parts of cities being burned was not in fact true.

JoeMorgue said:
Yet we've expected the black community to handwave around members of their community being murdered in the streets by police for decades now.
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Yes, that's a few bad apples and not representative of the force or the system as a whole despite all the evidence to the contrary :halo: .
The thugs vandalizing cars and burning down stores, however, represent both BLM as a movement, so much so that the entire movement can be written off as a dangerous mob and only Father Trump can save Christian white America from destruction at the hands of the blacks.
 
Firestone said:
:D

None of the 24 moderators suggested by Trump made it.
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Before I opened the link, I expected the list to be his family members :D .

"Trump’s Debate Moderator Wish List Is Stacked With Fox News Stars and Pushovers

The campaign’s suggestions for 2020 debate moderators draw heavily from Trump’s favorite cable-news safe space."

I suppose that would've been my second guess :p .
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Before I opened the link, I expected the list to be his family members :D .

"Trump’s Debate Moderator Wish List Is Stacked With Fox News Stars and Pushovers

The campaign’s suggestions for 2020 debate moderators draw heavily from Trump’s favorite cable-news safe space."

I suppose that would've been my second guess :p .
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I would hope the Canadian prime minister would have been picked.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I live in the Seattle suburb of Bellevue. My son lives in Seattle and only recently moved out of the neighborhood next to the CHOP Zone. No one said there wasn't anyone harmed by the small number of idiots who think the noise they are making is making a difference. They are not a serious part of BLM.



But the issue here was the absurd distortion there were/are "'huge sections' of American cities burned out."


So don't shift the goal posts and expect no one will notice.
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Exactly.

Plus a council representing business interests predicting up to 10,000 jobs lost is a weak reference.

I do acknowledge many people have been seriously impacted.

It is the dystopian portrayals that I'm pushing back on.
 
I would actually respect Trump more if he was just trying get "It's illegal to vote for anyone but me" passed as a law. At least that would be honest.
 
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