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Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

Would Biden use the National Guard and federal forces to stop the anarchist rioting and looting?

It might matter to far more than just the right wing.
 
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caveman1917 said:
H1: Anarchists burn down things indiscriminately.
H2: When anarchists burn things down, it is precisely targeted on explicit political grounds.

Observation of a sample of anarchists burning things down.

Now, from your other contributions on this forum I know for a fact you're not a drooling moron and you know very well how to distinguish hypotheses when observing a sample, so I can only assume you misspoke.
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Alternative possibility: I was trying to leave partisanship by the wayside and bring focus to the behaviors that I find unacceptable in a decent society.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I don't really consider anarchists to be a meaningfully developed political ideology
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Apparently you believe it equates to "indiscriminately burning things down" so it appears that the thing not meaningfully developed is your understanding of it. Don't let your own ignorance stop you though, and don't let your own hubris stop you from pretending as if it's the anarchists who are lacking in political development rather than you (someone not lacking meaningful political development would, after all, at least know that anarchism isn't "indiscriminately burning things down" even if they personally disagreed with it).

and I don't correlate it strongly with either Democrats (or the left) or with Republicans (or the right).
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Democrats aren't on the left, they're center-right.
 
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William Parcher said:
Would Biden use the National Guard and federal forces to stop the anarchist rioting and looting?

It might matter to far more than just the right wing.
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Why wouldn't he?

I am sure he would look for alternative solutions, but do you think that if there were more similar major threats to the lives and safety of the citizens of the US, that he would ignore that danger, and let people burn, assault, and kill?

Protecting the people of the United States would be his primary duty as President. I don't see him taking that responsibility as lightly as Trump has.
 
caveman1917 said:
Apparently you believe it equates to "indiscriminately burning things down" so it appears that the thing not meaningfully developed is your understanding of it. Don't let your own ignorance stop you though, and don't let your own hubris stop you from pretending as if it's the anarchists who are lacking in political development rather than you (someone not lacking meaningful political development would, after all, at least know that anarchism isn't "indiscriminately burning things down" even if they personally disagreed with it).
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Well then. Substitute whatever term you want to in there for "people who just want to watch the world burn, take advantage of the situation to steal things, and basically be hooligans"

Also, "anarchist" in the lay understanding isn't really the same as "someone who adheres to the philosophy of anarchism". It's "little a anarchists" versus "big A Anarchists".
 
Bogative said:
Sometimes we do have to choose between the police and our African-American neighbor who murdered another man and then shot himself in the head as the police closed in on him (see: Minneapolis PD last week). Riots and violence after the suicide shows the latter was chosen.

Sometimes we have to choose between the police and our African-American neighbor who violated a restraining order placed against him for sexually assaulting a woman by going back to her house, who had a felony warrant for the rape, who ignored lawful orders from police, who brushed off two separate Taser shots, who physically assaulted police officers, who ignored repeated commands to drop a deadly weapon before reaching into his vehicle while guns were drawn on him. I choose the police.
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Tell you what: Just write "I think police should be allowed to kill ******* with impunity", and we'll be done with it. Hell, I'd even respect you more...in the same sense like how I "respect" Richard Spencer or Stephen Miller more than you.
 
HoverBoarder said:
Why wouldn't he?

I am sure he would look for alternative solutions, but do you think that if there were more similar major threats to the lives and safety of the citizens of the US, that he would ignore that danger, and let people burn, assault, and kill?

Protecting the people of the United States would be his primary duty as President. I don't see him taking that responsibility as lightly as Trump has.
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Letting people burn, assault, vandalize, loot and kill, has been the choice of several Mayors and Governors thus far.
Has Biden indicated that he would take a firmer stance than them?
 
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HoverBoarder said:
Why wouldn't he?

I am sure he would look for alternative solutions, but do you think that if there were more similar major threats to the lives and safety of the citizens of the US, that he would ignore that danger, and let people burn, assault, and kill?

Protecting the people of the United States would be his primary duty as President. I don't see him taking that responsibility as lightly as Trump has.
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Democrats have got to publicly denounce the anarchy. These anarchists are burning and destroying and stealing and injuring and killing. They must say that the anarchists are not upholding their image of their Democracy. They must demand that the anarchists switch totally to peaceful protest.

This anarchy isn't going to stop when Biden gets elected, if he does. It will continue until they defeat and replace anything associated with right wingery. Even left wingish things will get destroying if they are too centristish.

Biden would have to use military forces against anarchy. But the anarchists use hit and run tactics and aren't fighting to occupy any territory, so to speak. What would it accomplish to occupy any place by force for the anarchy anyway? What happens next?
 
Mumbles said:
Tell you what: Just write "I think police should be allowed to kill ******* with impunity", and we'll be done with it. Hell, I'd even respect you more...in the same sense like how I "respect" Richard Spencer or Stephen Miller more than you.
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He's actually saying none of the kind. Police shooting are sometimes legitimate. Police shooting of black people are sometimes legitimate. It's quite possible police shooting in Kenosha will pass investigation and court as legitimate.
It's not 'let police shoot everyone' vs. 'let police shoot no-one'. The problem is actually exactly this generalization. Problem is Police is sometimes unable or unwiling to discern between right and wrong and act on stereotype. You are doing exactly the same.
 
Distracted1 said:
Letting people burn, assault, vandalize, loot and kill, has been the choice of several Mayors and Governors thus far.
Has Biden indicated that he would take a firmer stance than them?
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He condemned violence of all kinds for any cause. That's more than Trump did IMHO.
And I certainly don't think there is simple 'firm stance solution' to the problem.
 
Dr.Sid said:
He's actually saying none of the kind. Police shooting are sometimes legitimate. Police shooting of black people are sometimes legitimate. It's quite possible police shooting in Kenosha will pass investigation and court as legitimate.
It's not 'let police shoot everyone' vs. 'let police shoot no-one'. The problem is actually exactly this generalization. Problem is Police is sometimes unable or unwiling to discern between right and wrong and act on stereotype. You are doing exactly the same.
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I've listened to him justify violence against random black people for years, I'm long past decided, so you can keep your caterwauling to yourself.
 
There is an important reason to expect violence to end when Biden gets elected. It's because instead of thinking the way to stop it is to bring in a major show of force, what they will do is go the other direction: listen.

The trumpets will hate it, that they will give in to the protesters, but yeah, the most important thing to do is to stop insisting how they are wrong and acknowledge they have a legitimate concern.

Start doing that and the outbursts will stop.

Biden will do things like announce that they are going to re-introduce the police reforms that were initiated when Obama was President. It may not be a huge gesture or even that meaningful, but it will make a difference.

When the protests stop, the "anarchists" won't have anyone to hide behind and will go away, too.

Clearly, the current approach of stomping on their necks is not the answer to protests against police violence. Beatings will continue until morale improves! It doesn't work.

Biden will listen. That really helps.
 
Is the ultimate goal of this anarchy to replace the existing government with one that is perpetually far left? Do they want to end the Republican Party by overthrow defeat or coup?
 
William Parcher said:
Is the ultimate goal of this anarchy to replace the existing government with one that is perpetually far left? Do they want to end the Republican Party by overthrow defeat or coup?
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That doesn't seem like a serious question to me.

Do you really think street protests can lead to a coup?
 
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