Cont: The all-new "US Politics and coronavirus" thread pt. 2

[Minoosh]

Hang in there, Minoosh. After reading that, I had to take a couple of deep breaths myself. Be strong and empathetic, but remember that you don’t have to take any nonsense if it’s unhelpful to the situation.

That’s very kind of you. I think it’s the magical thinking that triggers me. I’m always bugging people to tell me why they believe whatever they believe. My aunt is religious (“God never gives us more than we can handle”-type religious) and my bro isn’t but just likes to trigger libs while working (of course) for a semi-governmental agency.

I have another brother who’s a left-wing conspiracy theorists and who knows what he believes - I’m afraid to ask.

 

[catsmate]

So let's say we get the infection rate down to an 'acceptable' level, eg. 20,000 per day (the numbers we had just before opening up). How long before we reach 70%?

But some say we only need 40% to achieve 'herd immunity'. At 20,000 a day that would take 18 years. So there's nothing to worry about!

At a 0.75% fatality rate that would be (just) less than a million dead. Well worth it to some.

 

[catsmate]

The FDA issued an emergency use authorization for the use of convalescent plasma.
There's no randomized clinical trial data yet, and not a lot of available plasma, so ... yay?

IIRR other countries have been using it for months with some success.

 

[Stacyhs]

That’s very kind of you. I think it’s the magical thinking that triggers me. I’m always bugging people to tell me why they believe whatever they believe. My aunt is religious (“God never gives us more than we can handle”-type religious) and my bro isn’t but just likes to trigger libs while working (of course) for a semi-governmental agency.

I have another brother who’s a left-wing conspiracy theorists and who knows what he believes - I’m afraid to ask.

Riiiiiiight. Which is why people never kill themselves.

I've never understood that saying. It's one of the stupidest ever.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Riiiiiiight. Which is why people never kill themselves.

I've never understood that saying. It's one of the stupidest ever.

It's Christian Apologetics (no offense Minoosh).

Answers in Genesis

Answers in Genesis is an apologetics ministry, dedicated to helping Christians defend their faith and proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ effectively. We focus on providing answers to questions about the Bible—particularly the book of Genesis—regarding key issues such as creation, evolution, science, and the age of the earth.

You can even get a PhD in Christian Apologetics

 

[Stacyhs]

It's Christian Apologetics (no offense Minoosh).

Answers in GenesisYou can even get a PhD in Christian Apologetics[/url]

Yeeeeaaaaah........I became a realist and stopped being afraid of going to some mythical hell at 15.

 

[carlitos]

You can even get a PhD in Christian Apologetics.

At the top of the first page of your dissertation, you write “Hello , my name is Kent Hovind.”

Hello, my name is Kent Hovind. I am a creation/science evangelist. I live in Pensacola, Florida. I have been a high school science teacher since 1976. I've been very active in the creation/evolution controversy for quite some time.

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Young-earth_creationist_Kent_Hovind's_doctoral_dissertation

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

At the top of the first page of your dissertation, you write “Hello , my name is Kent Hovind.”



https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Young-earth_creationist_Kent_Hovind's_doctoral_dissertation

It wouldn't surprise me if he's gotten an honorary degree.

 

[Stacyhs]

It wouldn't surprise me if he's gotten an honorary degree.

It's a worthless piece of paper. It might as well be written up by and be printed out on a home by him.

Patriot Bible University (PBU), formerly known as Patriot University, is an unaccredited Independent Baptist correspondence school located in Del Norte, Colorado[2] which issues religious degrees only.[3] According to the State of Colorado, Patriot's "degrees or diplomas have no state recognition"[4] PBU is not accredited by any agency recognized by the Department of Education.[5] It has been called a diploma mill, lacking sufficient academic standards to award degrees.[6][7]

Wikipedia

 

[Minoosh]

Riiiiiiight. Which is why people never kill themselves.

I've never understood that saying. It's one of the stupidest ever.

I guess I understand why people might believe this, but it's never made sense to me.

It's Christian Apologetics (no offense Minoosh).

But is it still apologetics if someone really believe something, vs. defending their grounds to do so?

I didn't like snapping at my aunt; IMO the two factions need to find some common ground. Re-openings, but gradually, with widespread acceptance of mask-wearing and social distancing. I'd love to learn techniques for fostering such dialogues. Even if you change only one mind at a time, that could add up.

 

[Stacyhs]

I guess I understand why people might believe this, but it's never made sense to me.

I don't. It's an empty platitude that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

 

[Aridas]

I guess I understand why people might believe this, but it's never made sense to me.

It's more about feelings than rationality, if that helps it make sense more. I could delve further, but I think it would be a bit too OT.

But is it still apologetics if someone really believe something, vs. defending their grounds to do so?

An apologetic is the defense, itself. Being an apologist doesn't actually require believing the defense, though an apologist usually does, in practice, albeit not always for well thought out reasons.

I didn't like snapping at my aunt; IMO the two factions need to find some common ground. Re-openings, but gradually, with widespread acceptance of mask-wearing and social distancing. I'd love to learn techniques for fostering such dialogues. Even if you change only one mind at a time, that could add up.

It might be worth noting that humans are emotional creatures. Some of us are swayed more with rationality and logic, yes, but that's at our best. Possibly, the best thing that can be done, generally speaking, is make is clear that you're on their side and appealing to common values, when it comes to persuasiveness. That, admittedly, can be hard to do much of the time.

 

[Stacyhs]

It's more about feelings than rationality, if that helps it make sense more.

Religion is almost always about feelings rather than rationality with some exceptions. For example, some of the Ten Commandments deal more with rationality which make living within a community possible, etc. But, as you say, that is OT.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Retweeted

Mel Q
@littllemel
“This week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid
That's 9,210 deaths
The other 94% had 2-3 other serious illnesses & the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age”
https://facebook.com/1566405890/posts/10224050038749877/?extid=gr0T716wo2v3tjFm&d=n

 

[Andy_Ross]

According to Gateway Pundit there's no need to panic. There have only been 9,000 deaths.

SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID-19 Numbers – Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID-19 Alone – Rest Had Different Other Serious Illnesses
So get this straight – based on the recommendation of doctors Fauci and Birx the US shut down the entire economy based on 9,000 American deaths to the China coronavirus.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...s-died-covid-19-alone-rest-serious-illnesses/

 

[kookbreaker]

According to Gateway Pundit there's no need to panic. There have only been 9,000 deaths.



https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...s-died-covid-19-alone-rest-serious-illnesses/

Ah, yes. Gateway Pundit. They guys who still believe Jacob Wohl.

 

[Craig4]

Trump Retweeted

Mel Q
@littllemel
“This week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid
That's 9,210 deaths
The other 94% had 2-3 other serious illnesses & the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age”
https://facebook.com/1566405890/posts/10224050038749877/?extid=gr0T716wo2v3tjFm&d=n

Considering Trump's place in the polls in Florida and Arizona, "Let the old people die," seems like an odd strategy.

 

[Craig4]

Bloomberg or Bezos or Gates someone else should have thought of that and bought up some or all of them. I’m serious. Why do anti-Trump billionaires never seem to anticipate the Trump administration’s maneuvers? A lot of BS could be neutralized with judiciously applied cash.

I've since read that Abbot is planning 50 million kits per month starting in October. I haven't seen anything else about the government buying the entire production after the first 150 million. Maybe then they will go into general circulation.

 

[Craig4]

It is so sad that we even have to consider these possibilities. In a sane world, we would know that it was some variation, as you described, of a purchase guarantee that was intended to make sure that an important product was delivered quickly as part of a coordinated strategy for saving lives and allowing people to safely resume something very much like normal life.

Instead, we have the Trump administration.

I know right? If Bush or Obama were president and someone said what I said about buying the test kits, I'd have called them a conspiracy theorist. Instead, It's a perfectly rational concern, especially after what came out about the Kushner boy and his testing plans.

 

[alfaniner]

Ah, yes. Gateway Pundit. They guys who still believe Jacob Wohl.

And call it the "China coronavirus". That's a tell right there.