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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 24

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Captain_Swoop said:
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We are thinking of the great people of Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, and all those affected by the storm.
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Thinking. As in thoughts, prayers, and no action planned yet? Going to wait until Democrats pull up the slack here, yet again, and then try to take all the credit?
 
Aridas said:
Thinking. As in thoughts, prayers, and no action planned yet? Going to wait until Democrats pull up the slack here, yet again, and then try to take all the credit?
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My guess is the GOP will write a "help the Storm Victims and ban abortions" bill to make the Dems look bad by voting against.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Reuters: Armed with new U.S. money, NATO to strengthen Russia deterrence FEB 2016!!!
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First of all... wrong thread? This seems to be a reply to a post in a different thread, after all. (ETA: Looks like it was intentional, nevermind on that point.) Second... it might be worth also mentioning the way that a bunch of military funding was redirected away from eastern Europe and towards Trump's border wall, as another example.

To poke for a moment at Delvo's multiple mentions of the Middle East, it sure looks like he's forgetting the part where Trump's actions have pretty actively paved the way for increased Russian influence all over the Middle East - and that the chaos that he's caused there just keeps driving the price of oil up, which significantly benefits Putin.

As for the pipeline that Trump opposed, there's a rather heavy stench of corruption involved, at last check. It's not that his decision to oppose it is wrong so much as that a number of people around him have significant financial interests to push him towards that decision.

Skeptic Ginger said:
So why am I supposed to think Trump is a nightmare for Putin? Seems like Trump made some attempts after the election to not be in Putin's pocket, or rather to not appear to be in Putin's pocket.

I'm not impressed by your list.
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I'm not impressed at all by that list, either. It's entirely true that not everything that Trump has done in relation to Russia helps Russia. It's just that, overwhelmingly, it does, and usually to the detriment of the US. It's also worth noting that Trump has been blocked from doing a lot more to fulfill Putin's desires.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
My guess is the GOP will write a "help the Storm Victims and ban abortions" bill to make the Dems look bad by voting against.
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Along with their usual actions to work to block disaster aid to blue states and areas while letting aid to red states and areas go through smoothly and quickly.
 
To poke back at Georgia for a moment, looks like there's another problematic issue that's been found.

All of which brings us to this week, as the Georgia chapter of All Voting Is Local unveiled a new analysis of rejected vote-by-mail ballots from the June primary elections in the state. You'll be shocked to learn that in the three counties they examined, the mail-in ballots from black voters were rejected at disproportionately higher rates than others. For example, in the Atlanta suburb of Cobb County, Black voters submitted 24 percent of the absentee ballots requested but accounted for 38 percent of mail-in ballots rejected by the County.

We're joined today by AKLIMA KHONDOKER, former ACLU attorney, now Georgia State Director for All Voting is Local, to explain her group's analysis and why the rates of absentee ballot rejection are so high for black voters in Georgia and, to a lesser extent, Hispanic and Asian voters as well. Khondoker warns that while the group only looked at three counties in Georgia -- finding similarly alarming statistics in each -- the problem likely extends not only to the rest of the state, but likely to many others around the nation.
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*sigh*

Also, a quick review of, unfortunately, a distinctly limited subset of the Kemp voting shenanigans in Georgia.


By way of very quick summary of just a few data points to back up that allegation:

- In 2016, after a huge purge of voters from the roles, we would learn after the Presidential election that Georgia's then Republican Sec. of State, now Governor, Brian Kemp, left the entire voter database and passwords to its voting systems unprotected online for download by anyone. When caught, he lied about it and wiped the entire server despite an ongoing lawsuit.
- In 2018, a federal judge found the state's nearly 20-year old, unverifiable, easily-hacked touchscreen voting systems, mandated for use at the polling place in every county, to be outdated, insecure and unverifiable.
- In that year's election, overseen by Kemp himself, he was narrowly found (by those same failed systems) to have "won" the Governor's race in a contest that his Democratic opponent, Stacey Abrams, regards as illegitimate due to, among other things, the purges and disproportionate rejection of absentee ballots cast by African-Americans.
- Also in 2018, some 250,000 votes in the Lt. Governor's race inexplicably disappeared in black precincts.
- In 2019, the federal judge ruled the state's voting system so insecure and unverifiable that they were, in fact, unconstitutional. She banned them from further use and ordered the system to be replaced by a new one.
- In 2019, the new Republican Sec. of State Brad Raffensperger ordered new, similarly unverifiable, easily-hacked touchscreen voting systems to replace the old systems found to be unconstitutional, rather than move to a cheaper, VERIFIABLE, hand-marked paper ballot system recommended by voting and computer experts. The new $130 million systems failed in their first outing late last year and again during primaries this year, leading to hours-long voting lines in the Peach State, once again, largely in minority areas.
- And we would also later learn that the new digital optical-scan computers used to tally hand-marked absentee ballots in the Peach State had skipped counting unknown thousands of votes during the June primaries, due to a software setting that allows election officials or the private voting system vendor or even hackers to dial up or down the sensitivity setting to determine which votes are counted or not.
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alfaniner said:
She planted a lot of new bulbs that won't sprout until next year. One morning in the spring people are going to wake up to see "I'M OUT - THANK YOU AMERICA" spelled out in big, bold blossoms.
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That would show more humor and integrity than I would expect from her. Let's hope you are right. :p
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Democrats don't know how to handle the riots they've created. There's only one proven way to deal with this kind of mass civil unrest: tax cuts.
 
Stacyhs said:
Right. Fighting the Russians while in the German army? :rolleyes:

You do know he's black, don't you?
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I’m a Brit, living in Malaysia. I don’t have a clue who this guy is. I just made a joke based on his ignorant statement, given which countries were fighting ‘socialism’ during the Second World War.

Did you seriously think I believed that an American politician would be boasting about his father’s service in the Wehrmacht?!
 
https://www.blackenterprise.com/tru...-black-voters-may-be-higher-than-you-thought/

According to a recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, Trump has a 14% approval rating among black voters with every 8 out of 10 African Americans stating that they are uncomfortable with the possibility of him getting re-elected for another four years. Another poll conducted by the BlackPAC showed that most African Americans are not only dissatisfied with the current administration, but the overall state of the country right now. The survey shows that 76% of black voters are completely dissatisfied with the overall direction of the country, 42% believe that the economy is getting worse, and 77% believe that he is a racist.
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phiwum said:
The NHL has a reputation for poor race relations. I think this is a reasonable way to try and make some amends. Baby steps, but at least it's an attempt to show some concern about racism.

It shouldn't be mistaken for serious effort, but it's non-trivial effort.
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Lurch said:
Sometimes it takes pain to engender a change. A repeat criminal offender who only ever gets a slap on the wrist is not motivated to shape up. A spell in the klink tends to drive home the lesson, even if only to avoid the same penalty in future.

If sports fans still get to enjoy their circuses, the protesting can safely be ignored. But if the fun stops, they might be motivated to be more active in support, if for no other reason than to bring back the games.
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I understand the motivation behind the NHL/NHLPA actions and I am ok with it. Their hearts are in the right place. I am a hockey fan but I do not mind going without for the greater good. I just don’t think the NHL action will have any significant effect on people’s views or actions re the current serious social issues. I also think the statement that they issued was vague and weak.

Now, I do think the NBA action has potential to be more effective. The NBA has a much more exposure in the USA and there is visibly much more emotional involvement from the high percentage of black players in the league. The messages in the interviews and statements coming out of the NBA are much more powerful than those of the NHL. I do not watch NBA but I have seen a number of interviews and statements from the players. The emotion displayed is real and powerful.
 
An interesting fact check from the BBC regarding the amount of Mexican border wall built during President Trump's first term:

Since January 2017, when Mr Trump assumed the presidency, 275 miles of wall along the border with Mexico has been completed, according to the latest US Customs and Border Protection report.

However, most of that was to replace existing structures.

A total of 245 miles of wall has been built in place of old barriers.

But only 30 miles of new wall has actually been built.

Most of this (25 miles) is what's called "secondary wall", which is constructed to reinforce the primary border barrier.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53922706

If I read that correctly, there are 5 miles of the border which now has a wall that didn't nearly four years ago. Whoop-de-doo :rolleyes:

Of course then there's the other issue that AFAIK, Mexico hasn't paid for any of it.
 
The Don said:
An interesting fact check from the BBC regarding the amount of Mexican border wall built during President Trump's first term:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53922706

If I read that correctly, there are 5 miles of the border which now has a wall that didn't nearly four years ago. Whoop-de-doo :rolleyes:

Of course then there's the other issue that AFAIK, Mexico hasn't paid for any of it.
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Yeah, but America is much greater now than it was four years ago. That must count for something.
 
Mumbles said:
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Oh, Zogby *and* Rasmussen! It absolutely must be true.

Hold on, let me gt up off the floor and return to my chair.

Here, let me help you out a little: Dolt 45's going to get stomped among black voters. That was set in stone long before he came down that escalator and started ranting about the rapey Mexicans. Among Latinos, he's likely strong among, say, Cuban immigrants and others who are still freaked out by "socialism", never mind that Biden is very clearly not a socialist, and decently among white latinos who, like other light-skinned immigrants, are easily accepted in by even racist US white folk. Both parties reliably fumble around when it comes to latino voters in general, mostly because both treat them (us) as a coherent group with similar interests, culture, etc. when this is decidedly not true at all. That's how you end up with people like Marco Rubio and "Ted" Cruz in the GOP, but a GOP president telling a brown-skinned Puerto Rican that her country's leader is a failure, with no apparent idea that he is insulting himself.
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Republicans are popular among hispanics who's ancestors lost their slaves or plantations during the revolution and fled the country before they could get lined up on a wall. Less so than those descended from slaves or desperately poor classes.
 
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If anyone is still holding on to the notion that Trump isn't a filthy racist and this utterance fails to enlighten, these are people with mental problems. These are people who are seriously delusional and/or deplorable, whatever the color of their skin.

The ‘suburban housewife’ will be voting for me. They want safety & are thrilled that I ended the long running program where low income housing would invade their neighborhood. Biden would reinstall it, in a bigger form, with Corey Booker in charge!

- The Racist in Chief​
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I made it through essentially the whole acceptance speech*.

Immediately afterwards, Rachel Maddow did a rapid fire fact check on it. Likely not all inclusive, but hit the main lies pretty effectively.

https://youtu.be/9kpiTtvppKQ



*I walked the dogs about 3/4 of the way through. I have a feeling I didn’t miss much.
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Watched that. The lies are amazing but of course expected.

I am surprised by the crowd in that video. No social distancing whatsoever. :confused:
 
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