Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 24

[ponderingturtle]

They get that idea from liberal-targeted media saying it over and over and over again, regardless of whether it's true.

There is nothing racist about keeping the blacks out of your neighborhood.

That is why Travis and Gregory McMichael will be the next ones to speak at the republican convention. The way they have been hounded for their concern over people who didn't belong there on their street is normal and their behavior acceptable until the liberal media railroaded them. Trying to portray them as racist!

 

[ponderingturtle]

The underline: I've seen no evidence of that. They came unto a private street, but I highly doubt the MCloskey's themselves own the street. Paying into an HOA isn't ownership.

Was it a gated community or just an HOA one?

 

[Emily's Cat]

I’m not running for office.

Hmm. No, You're not running for office. But neither were any of the white supremacist organizations that supported Trump. That "guilt by association with supporters" gets spread across all Republicans, including those running for office though. It's enough to take the fact that some bleepety-bleep racists support Republicans, and extrapolate to the assumption that all Republicans must be racists as a result.

Why do you think the same wouldn't hold true for Democrats? Why wouldn't the behavior of Democrat supporters taint Democrats by association?

In reality (which is not the internet, by the way), both Republicans and Democrats have some supporters who hold horrendous and abhorrent views, and who view the world through a lens of hatred. Most supporters of either party, however, are reasonable people with a wide variety of values, passion issues, concerns, and desires for the future of the country.

If you insist on painting a political party - and all of their supporters - with a brush dipped in the very worst of the worst of their supporters... well... we end up in a situation where everyone is equally justified in demonizing half the country. And that's a terribly inhumane place to be.

 

[Ziggurat]

And kept the guns pointed at the protesters in case they go off nothing you care about would get hurt.

I'm not surprised that you didn't know this because most of the press won't bother to tell you, but the guns were not functional at the time. They couldn't have hurt anybody with them if they had wanted to. So your allegations of indifference to anyone getting hurt are baseless.

 

[lobosrul5]

I'm not surprised that you didn't know this because most of the press won't bother to tell you, but the guns were not functional at the time. They couldn't have hurt anybody with them if they had wanted to. So your allegations of indifference to anyone getting hurt are baseless.

Says who, whats your evidence? Why would anyone in their right mind go potentially antagonize a crowd with useless weapons?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Hmm. No, You're not running for office. But neither were any of the white supremacist organizations that supported Trump. That "guilt by association with supporters" gets spread across all Republicans, including those running for office though. It's enough to take the fact that some bleepety-bleep racists support Republicans, and extrapolate to the assumption that all Republicans must be racists as a result.

Why do you think the same wouldn't hold true for Democrats?

Because they don't retweet them, and immediately disavow them? I mean how often do you accidentally retweet massively racist propaganda? Do you think such a thing is a mark that just maybe someone might be racist?

Now we are at the level that there is nothing antisemitic about directing people to the protocols of the elders of zion. Yep. That is something any responsible totally not antisemitic person does.

 

[Emily's Cat]

The underlined (1): I've seen no evidence of that. They came unto a private street, but I highly doubt the MCloskey's themselves own the street. Paying into an HOA isn't ownership.

The underlined (2): They could've done that without pointing their weapons at people... her with her finger on the trigger I might add. Careless and idiotic. Before you think of me as an anti-gun liberal, know that I own an AR-15 among other guns. Their behavior is embarrassing and unnecessary.

RE 1), I was under the impression that protesters were actually on their property. Either way, even if they weren't literally on my lawn, I'd still probably be armed. I just would've had the sense to be inside the damned house.

RE 2) Yes, careless and idiotic. Which is why I said it was not great, but not as bad as it was portrayed.

FTR, We have several firearms of many sorts... and I firmly believe that the biggest problem with guns in the US is... well... most gun owners.

 

[Ziggurat]

Says who, whats your evidence?

Says the forensics lab the DA sent the gun to after the police confiscated it.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/l...s-gun/63-be112149-d06c-4f54-a225-6545e74b5c2d

"Assistant Circuit Attorney Chris Hinckley ordered crime lab staff members to field strip the handgun and found it had been assembled incorrectly. Specifically, the firing pin spring was put in front of the firing pin, which was backward, and made the gun incapable of firing, according to documents obtained by 5 On Your Side."

Like I said, I'm not surprised that most people don't know. But the information is out there.

 

[lobosrul5]

Says the forensics lab the DA sent the gun to after the police confiscated it.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/l...s-gun/63-be112149-d06c-4f54-a225-6545e74b5c2d

"Assistant Circuit Attorney Chris Hinckley ordered crime lab staff members to field strip the handgun and found it had been assembled incorrectly. Specifically, the firing pin spring was put in front of the firing pin, which was backward, and made the gun incapable of firing, according to documents obtained by 5 On Your Side."

Like I said, I'm not surprised that most people don't know. But the information is out there.

And Mark McCloskey's AR-15? Was it also inoperable?

 

[Dr. Keith]

Says the forensics lab the DA sent the gun to after the police confiscated it.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/l...s-gun/63-be112149-d06c-4f54-a225-6545e74b5c2d

"Assistant Circuit Attorney Chris Hinckley ordered crime lab staff members to field strip the handgun and found it had been assembled incorrectly. Specifically, the firing pin spring was put in front of the firing pin, which was backward, and made the gun incapable of firing, according to documents obtained by 5 On Your Side."

Like I said, I'm not surprised that most people don't know. But the information is out there.

I'm trying to imagine that logic being applied to a black person holding an object looking anything like a gun. Nope, every instance I can think of off the top of my head ends up with the black person being shot by police: toy gun, phone, nothing at all.

This is ******* art.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Says the forensics lab the DA sent the gun to after the police confiscated it.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/l...s-gun/63-be112149-d06c-4f54-a225-6545e74b5c2d

"Assistant Circuit Attorney Chris Hinckley ordered crime lab staff members to field strip the handgun and found it had been assembled incorrectly. Specifically, the firing pin spring was put in front of the firing pin, which was backward, and made the gun incapable of firing, according to documents obtained by 5 On Your Side."

Like I said, I'm not surprised that most people don't know. But the information is out there.

Why does it matter, did she know it didn't work, would the people she pointed it at know? That is like finding out the gun wasn't loaded so it doesn't count as armed robbery. This is not a loophole that matters.

 

[varwoche]

I think you're hyperbolizing and demonizing for no real good reason here, varwoche...

In which case, law enforcement is also demonizing them.

Given the reports of violence, arson, and riots on TV - especially in this age of partisanly targeted news reporting - I'm not at all surprised that people might feel threatened by a crowd of protesters on their property. If a crowd of protesters had come across my property... I likely wouldn't have been outside, but I very likely would have been armed, just in case.

So? They chose otherwise.

The most frustrating thing is that there's so much spin involved in every story, that you end up with news that's tailored to increase outrage. Media targeted to liberals will portray those two as psycho, racist, gun-nuts who are a threat to everyone and clearly unhinged. Media targeted at conservatives will portray them as upright citizens defending their home and their lives against an unruly mob of violent rioters.

Even though we're straying off topic, I will opportunistically point out that I have an extensive posting history that is opposite of what you say -- fact driven not tribe driven -- including in this thread at length as recently as a few hours ago.

I reject your characterization of my post.

 

[Solitaire]

I just looked at the poll on Rasmussen Reports. Biden leads Trump by 1% point.
But again, both are underwater, Biden at 46% and Trump at 45%. Worryingly, 4% remain
undecided, while a healthy 6% prefer some other candidate.

P. S. The bad mixed with good in polls is making me dizzy.
I think I go outside for a while.

 

[varwoche]

Trump's followers are so racist, and so opposed to peaceful protest, and so generally unhinged, that showcasing these nuts might actually be effective.

I do recognize there are Trump supporters who aren't violent, fascistic, filthy racists like Trump. I see two categories that could be statistically significant:

1. Affluent sociopaths who only care about their pocketbook.

2. People who strongly believe that abortion is mass murder (whaddya know, accidentally back on topic) and that even though Trump is abhorrent, God works in mysterious ways.

To whatever extent the unhinged couple is driven by these motivations, when you point guns at peaceful protesters, and then you proceed to parrot Trump's dog whistle bullhorn about the suburbs, and otherwise speak of the fascist wannabe in the way that North Koreans speak of Dear Leader...

Not deplorables. Just a scared, innocent old couple. Ya sure.

 

[Distracted1]

I just looked at the poll on Rasmussen Reports. Biden leads Trump by 1% point.
But again, both are underwater, Biden at 46% and Trump at 45%. Worryingly, 4% remain
undecided, while a healthy 6% prefer some other candidate.

P. S. The bad mixed with good in polls is making me dizzy.
I think I go outside for a while.

One might get the impression that the "unrest" we are experiencing in places like Portland, Detroit, and Kenoosha is keeping Bidens' numbers down.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Fivethirtyeight still has biden winning. Please america, please don't be ******* morons again.

 

[shuttlt]

Was it a gated community or just an HOA one?

It was gated. The story we have at the moment is that the protestors broke/bent the gate to enter the area.

 

[shuttlt]

Why does it matter, did she know it didn't work, would the people she pointed it at know? That is like finding out the gun wasn't loaded so it doesn't count as armed robbery. This is not a loophole that matters.

I thought whether or not the guns where immediately fireable was a central issue in the legal side of this?

 

[pgwenthold]

Every time I see something like the highlighted, I'm amazed all over again at how brazen the Trumps are about how they can manipulate their die-hard followers, the "shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose one" thing. I mean, c'mon- with Jr, Eric, Ivanka, Jared all profiting off their connection to the President in one way or another, ways they couldn't have without that connection, how blatant does the hypocrisy need to be before any sane person would choke on it? Same with a couple of other things- his schtick now that he saw and dealt admirably with the Covid 19 danger while Democrats downplayed the whole thing, when the easily accessible historical record says otherwise about his actions. And his more recent claim that an executive order that he has in mind "requiring health insurance companies to cover all preexisting conditions for all customers" will be something that "has never been done before," when it's a popular part of the Obamacare law that his administration is now trying to overturn- are the Trumpkins really that densely oblivious?

They complain about "profiting off the name"? For ***** sake, the Trumps LITERALLY (and I am using literally correctly) charge people money for the right to put their name on a product.

Do you think any Trump had anything to do with the production of Trump Steaks? The fact that the company went bankrupt means nothing because the Trumps still got paid for the name.

 

[lobosrul5]

It was gated. The story we have at the moment is that the protestors broke/bent the gate to enter the area.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt15soJxCsU

Not broken, doesn't look bent. Someone broke it after the initial incident.