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Trump is not going to accept election results Rough and ugly transition ahead.

Belz... said:
Even though I provided definitions which contradict him and which he ignored? How can you even say that?

It's clear now that facts, arguments and definitions are not as important as personal preferences, feelings and preferences. Rocky was right; both sides are equally bad at this. Left or right, whenever facts disagree with you, you ignore them.

So what use is skepticism in a place like this?
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Because I read his posts. And just because he ignored what you posted does not mean he has a lack of comprehension. This argument is ticky tack and isn't worth anyone's time and effort.
 
It is just blame dilution from someone that knows his side bears majority of blame. Those shrieking "both sides are equally bad" are never sincere.
 
Mader Levap said:
It is just blame dilution from someone that knows his side bears majority of blame. Those shrieking "both sides are equally bad" are never sincere.
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There are other options besides Coke and Pepsi. If I say Pepsi is worse, it does not make me a Coke drinker.
 
Leftus said:
There are other options besides Coke and Pepsi. If I say Pepsi is worse, it does not make me a Coke drinker.
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Yes but at this point in the American political landscape the Democrats and Republicans are not Coke and Pepsi. Nor are they Coke and Shasta. Or Coke and Jolt. Or Coke and Walmart Brand Cola. They are Coke and Arsenic. Pretending they are comparable, to say nothing of "the same" in even the broadest of categories is simply not defendable as intellectually or morally honest.

And I'm sorry... yeah it is either Coke or Arsenic. That's how the system works.

Morally, intellectually, argumentatively... sure there's some nuance in there on some levels in some contexts. But politically? You are either on one side or the other.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Correct. You comparing the Republicans and the Democrats as "Both sides are dirty" is a horrible myopic comparison. I'm glad you are learning.
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Bullsh*****, Trump is an anomaly worthy of disdain, the establishment republicans and democrats are literally Coke and Pepsi.
 
rockysmith76 said:
Bullsh*****, Trump is an anomaly worthy of disdain, the establishment republicans and democrats are literally Coke and Pepsi.
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One side is anti-science, hell anti-reality, racist, homophobic, anti-environment, anti-basic human rights, and are only in power because they've rigged the system.

Spare me your "Both sides" drivel and stop insulting my intelligence by expecting me to actually believe it from you.
 
JoeMorgue said:
One side is anti-science, hell anti-reality, racist, homophobic, anti-environment, anti-basic human rights, and are only in power because they've rigged the system.

Spare me your "Both sides" drivel and stop insulting my intelligence by expecting me to actually believe it from you.
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Or you have leftist tunnel vision. Whatever.
 
rockysmith76 said:
You're the one who said that you're on one side or the either, you called one side racist, warmongering scum, therefore by your own logic you are clearly on the other side. Hence, leftist.
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I notice you aren't denying anything, just vaguely ranting in the direction of "sides."
 
JoeMorgue said:
One side is anti-science, hell anti-reality, racist, homophobic, anti-environment, anti-basic human rights, and are only in power because they've rigged the system.

Spare me your "Both sides" drivel and stop insulting my intelligence by expecting me to actually believe it from you.
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rockysmith76 said:
Or you have leftist tunnel vision. Whatever.
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Leftist tunnel vision? Surely ye jest. Long time hard core conservatives are saying things similar. You never do address the facts and reality Rocky. You just dimiss it all with three word answers. Leftist tunnel vision, Orange man bad and both sides suck.

I love a good intelligent argument that makes me think. C'mon, show us how the GOP isn't racist. Show us how it cares about the environment. Show us how it's not denying evolution, global warming or scientists that make the study of infectious diseases their life's work. Make me think that I have totally misunderstood the Republican party. I'm open to it. But three word responses isn't even mildly persuasive.
 
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rockysmith76 said:
Bullsh*****, Trump is an anomaly worthy of disdain, the establishment republicans and democrats are literally Coke and Pepsi.
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Sadly Trump is not as much an anomaly as you are suggesting.

Despite the fact that he is perhaps more vocal in his bigotry, anti-environment, etc., Keep in mind that:

- Republicans have engaged in racism for years before trump joined the 2016 campaign. (Witness voter suppression aimed at minorities in past elections)

- trump maintains widespread support by republican voters, even after exhibiting his racism

- congressional Republicans have strongly supported trump, with near unanimous votes in support of Trump's court and administration picks, against his impeachment, etc.

If trump were such an anomaly, you wouldn't have that happening... Congress critters would have abandoned him the moment he made his "fine people" comments, voters would have abandoned him after all the scandals. Yet they are sticking with him, because they don't consider any of that to be that bad.

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Yes, as a Vox article pointed out, it wasn't so much Trump as his followers who seemed to come out of nowhere. Turns out a lot of Americans were way more racist, bigoted, misogynist, violence-loving, and authoritarian than expected. Trump only gave them 'permission' to finally express their views out loud.

Should Biden win, which I hope for America's sake he does, there will be another Trump along before long, now that they know that such a far-right candidate is perfectly electable.
 
At worst Trump pulled the subtext into the text and text into 20 Point Bold Type.

Here's the thing. The Republicans play politics so much better than the Dems. If they didn't want Trump to be their figurehead, Trump wouldn't be their figurehead.

The whole "Aw shucks we can't control him" routine doesn't fly.
 
JoeMorgue said:
At worst Trump pulled the subtext into the text and text into 20 Point Bold Type.

Here's the thing. The Republicans play politics so much better than the Dems. If they didn't want Trump to be their figurehead, Trump wouldn't be their figurehead.

The whole "Aw shucks we can't control him" routine doesn't fly.
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Exactly this was a guy with a history of retweeting white supremacists and made racism a core part of his campaign from the very beginning. If that was not popular he wouldn't have won primaries.

One thing that I don't think anyone can seriously claim is that Trump ever credibly pretended to be something he wasn't. He was always clear about what he was after.
 
JoeMorgue said:
The whole "Aw shucks we can't control him" routine doesn't fly.
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I do think maybe it's part of the answer. If you'll pardon the godwin, in How Democracies Die, the author discusses how the German leadership wanted Hitler as counselor because as a populist, he would placate the people, and as a blithering idiot, he'd be easy to control. Turns out they were wrong. Perhaps the GOP thought a Trump presidency would play out differently, that he would merely be a means to an end, not have the massive impact he did have.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I do think maybe it's part of the answer. If you'll pardon the godwin, in How Democracies Die, the author discusses how the German leadership wanted Hitler as counselor because as a populist, he would placate the people, and as a blithering idiot, he'd be easy to control. Turns out they were wrong. Perhaps the GOP thought a Trump presidency would play out differently, that he would merely be a means to an end, not have the massive impact he did have.
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I think this misreads the 2016 election. Hitler was chosen by those in power, Trump was chosen by the masses. Hitler didn't win primaries he was handed power from those in control, Trump was the chosen of the party base.

I see no reason to question the democratic will of republican voters in selecting Trump as their chosen candidate.
 
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