Steve Bannon Indicted

[acbytesla]

That’s just an alligation.

 

[Stacyhs]

Exactly. Which is why he's not really on topic for this thread. Steve Bannon was indicted for fraud. Somehow you want to turn it into yet another thread about Donald Trump. Please don't do that. There's already threads discussing Bannon's relationship to Trump. There's already threads discussing Trumpism in general. This thread is about the allegations of fraud against Bannon. (Really, it should be in T&E.)

Oh, please, I was not the one who brought Trump into this thread. That was done by three people before I even mentioned him so do not lay that at my feet. Additionally, YOU engaged in it yourself so don't try to lecture me on it:

Presidential Pardon in 3, 2, ...

Avatar bet?

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Trump claims he didn't approve of the private donation fundraising scheme. But he did.



But that's not what Kris Kobach said over a year ago

FTFY.

And let me guess: You don't trust Donald Trump, and you don't trust Steve Bannon, but you do trust Kris Kobach?

 

[theprestige]

What if we hope he gets treated the way trump wants criminals to be treated?

Then "we" would be despicable the way Trump is despicable. Is that what you hope for?

Why not hope for due process and rule of law, regardless of what the President or anyone else hopes for?

There's more to life than weird-ass partisan tit for tat and whataboutism.

 

[newyorkguy]

The way I've always imagined Stevo winding up. Despicable, ain't it?

 

[theprestige]

Oh, please, I was not the one who brought Trump into this thread. That was done by three people before I even mentioned him so do not lay that at my feet. Additionally, YOU engaged in it yourself so don't try to lecture me on it:

A bet on whether Trump will pardon Bannon is relevant to Bannon being indicted for a crime.

A question of trusting Kobach's claim about Trump's involvement with the fundraiser and the alleged fraud is at least tangentially related to the allegations of fundraising fraud.

It seems like both of those discussions have already run their course. I've already moved on. Since you also agree that there's nothing so far linking Trump to the alleged fraud, maybe move on as well? Maybe you can tell us what usually happens next in the due process, after the not guilty plea is entered. Is it bail? What do you think Bannon's bail will be set at?

 

[Belz...]

Trump about Bannon being arrested: "Well, I feel very badly."

No, you feel bad. If you feel badly it means that the mechanism that makes your feelings work is broken somehow. Come to think of it, I'm sure that's entirely accurate.

 

[Giordano]

Exactly. Which is why he's not really on topic for this thread. Steve Bannon was indicted for fraud. Somehow you want to turn it into yet another thread about Donald Trump. Please don't do that. There's already threads discussing Bannon's relationship to Trump. There's already threads discussing Trumpism in general. This thread is about the allegations of fraud against Bannon. (Really, it should be in T&E.)

Bannon’s indictment for fraud makes the news because he is a well known, public figure. He is a well known public figure for a number of reasons, but prominent reasons are his relationship with Trump and his role and influence in the Trump administration. Expecting his relationship to Trump to be ignored in discussions of his indictment would be like expecting an arrest of Ivanka for heroin trafficking to not mention Trump.

 

[Stacyhs]

Bannon’s indictment for fraud makes the news because he is a well known, public figure. He is a well known public figure for a number of reasons, but prominent reasons are his relationship with Trump and his role and influence in the Trump administration. Expecting his relationship to Trump to be ignored in discussions of his indictment would be like expecting an arrest of Ivanka for heroin trafficking to not mention Trump.

Exactly.

 

[Stacyhs]

A bet on whether Trump will pardon Bannon is relevant to Bannon being indicted for a crime.

A question of trusting Kobach's claim about Trump's involvement with the fundraiser and the alleged fraud is at least tangentially related to the allegations of fundraising fraud.

It seems like both of those discussions have already run their course. I've already moved on. Since you also agree that there's nothing so far linking Trump to the alleged fraud, maybe move on as well? Maybe you can tell us what usually happens next in the due process, after the not guilty plea is entered. Is it bail? What do you think Bannon's bail will be set at?

Your attempt to justify your own involvement while criticizing mine falls flat.

 

[Belz...]

Bannon’s indictment for fraud makes the news because he is a well known, public figure. He is a well known public figure for a number of reasons, but prominent reasons are his relationship with Trump and his role and influence in the Trump administration. Expecting his relationship to Trump to be ignored in discussions of his indictment would be like expecting an arrest of Ivanka for heroin trafficking to not mention Trump.

Also, our resident conservatives didn't mind bringing up Obama every chance they got a few years back.

 

[Babbylonian]

There's more to life than weird-ass partisan tit for tat and whataboutism.

 

[Stacyhs]

Trump about Bannon being arrested: "Well, I feel very badly."

No, you feel bad. If you feel badly it means that the mechanism that makes your feelings work is broken somehow. Come to think of it, I'm sure that's entirely accurate.

 

[Meadmaker]

Well I certainly will not try to tie Trump to this alleged fraud unless some evidence surfaces in the future.


Instead, what I would comment on is that when this group of fraudsters looked at the crowds of people chanting "Build the wall", they saw a flock of sheep that was waiting to be fleeced.

 

[acbytesla]

The more I've read about this, the more this seems like a slam dunk. The company set up to commit this fraud used shell companies, sham vendors and fake invoices. Documents don't lie.

 

[Bob001]

The way I've always imagined Stevo winding up. Despicable, ain't it?

Not to digress too far, but why does Bannon always wear two collared shirts, as he did in court today? Who does that? What kind of fashion statement is that? In addition to the awful appearance, I would think it would be uncomfortable. Has he ever explained the practice?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

f Trump cared about The Wall as anything but a Potemkin Village, he would have made sure that no frauds like the Bannon Wall existed.

He knew and he liked it, because it did the one thing he wants The Wall to do: make his base happy.

 

[bruto]

Who said we don't need the wall.

That seems a very odd comment in the context of this thread. It appears that Bannon defrauded those who believe the wall should be built. I suspect that you're among those who believe it should be built, but your post does not make it very clear whether you are bothered by Bannon's betrayal.

As for the issue of Trump, I am not surprised that he would be in favor of the project as it was presented. He's a supporter of the wall, of people like Bannon, and he is certainly not noted for either a fine sense of ethics or understanding of character. I would not be surprised if he rises to Bannon's defense, simply because Bannon is his kind of guy, and because he is likely to presume the indictment is a conspiracy directed ultimately at him, but I do not think that implies that he was aware of, or in on, the fraud, only that his discernment, intelligence and memory are unreliable.

 

[alfaniner]

Not to digress too far, but why does Bannon always wear two collared shirts, as he did in court today? Who does that? What kind of fashion statement is that? In addition to the awful appearance, I would think it would be uncomfortable. Has he ever explained the practice?

I'd started watching a certain season of The Walking Dead around the time he was in the news a lot. I couldn't help but think of him as "Fat Neegan" all the time, with that leather trenchcoat and never a tie even in the White House.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Bannon was arrested on the yacht of the CHINESE billionaire Guo Wengui off the coast of Connecticut.

 

[Venom]

Bannon and Guo Wengui's common adversary: Chyna