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Trump is not going to accept election results Rough and ugly transition ahead.

I am concerned that the OP may well be correct. I suspect that Trump may have done something that will put him in prison if it ever comes out and knows it. Without "presidential immunity" and/or his people in charge of the executive and/or senate.

I would happily accept being wrong, of course.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Not truthful compared to Trump?

Because one side isn't always correct, you pick the side that is almost always wrong?

I hope you never need medical advice, or you'll be screwed.
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Trump exaggerates, misremembers, and lies about trivial stuff.... and probably big stuff too. Then he'll tell the truth about something big that you wouldn't expect. Why was his admission about the reason for arms deals to Saudi Arabia surprising? Because we expect politicians to lie to try to deceive us about really important issues.

Anybody who watches politicians and thinks they have any sort of profound concern for the conveying a fair and balanced understanding of the world is a fool. Trump's quote about "very fine people" is useful to Democrats. They aren't going to help people find the wider context that he made it clear a few seconds later that he wasn't talking about neo-nazis. They tell politicians lies. Just like when Kamala painted Joe as some kind of racist/racist enabler in the debate, and now brushes that off as something she said because it was a debate. Some stupid lie Trump has told about the size of a crowd isn't going to offend me much in comparison.

The difference between us is that you think your guy is honest. I say you can't trust any of them.
 
Bob001 said:
The Charlottesville event was a heavily publicized neo-Nazi rally. Participants marched through the streets with swastika banners, weapons and torches chanting "Jews Will Not Replace Us!" If your best defense of Trump is that he was too stupid to understand the facts, that doesn't help him much.
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If you say that when he says specifically that he isn't talking about neo-Nazi's, that he is talking about neo-Nazi's, and you leave off the fact that he said he wasn't a few seconds later, then I'm certainly not going to rely on you to truthfully convey information or be impressed when you claim Trump is dishonest.

Also, why should I listen to any further context you provide? How is that going to be helpful to me? I'm just going to stick to the original claim that he said that neo-Nazi's were fine people and call you a liar based on that. Why should I care about context, and clarification when you don't?
 
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acbytesla said:
Another way the nation could get screwed again. 50,000 voters in Wyoming will be worth as much as 40 million in California.
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If you are going to whine again about the malapportionment feature then try not to be so misleading. You falsely imply that a vote in Wyoming is worth 800 times as much as a vote in California.

The fact is that Wyoming returns 3 EC votes at 16,667 voters per EC vote while California returns 57 EC votes at 701,754 voters per EC vote. So a vote in Wyoming is worth 42 times (not 800) times as much as a vote in California.
 
psionl0 said:
If you are going to whine again about the malapportionment feature then try not to be so misleading. You falsely imply that a vote in Wyoming is worth 800 times as much as a vote in California.

The fact is that Wyoming returns 3 EC votes at 16,667 voters per EC vote while California returns 57 EC votes at 701,754 voters per EC vote. So a vote in Wyoming is worth 42 times (not 800) times as much as a vote in California.
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Except he isn't talking about the EC. Hes talking about the situation where each state gets 1 vote.
 
shemp said:
Whatever Trump does try to do, I hope it's so criminal and fails so badly that he is found guilty of treason and ends up on the neck end of a rope.

I think it's more likely that on the morning of January 20, 2021, he gets on a plane to a country that has no extradition treaty with the U.S., and spends the rest of his life on Twitter riling up his base of idiots.
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Well the ultimate "punishment " for him would to be banned from Twitter and have his "Donald Trump" account handed over to the White House since it is an official communication channel of the Presidency!
 
shuttlt said:
Trump exaggerates, misremembers, and lies about trivial stuff.... and probably big stuff too. Then he'll tell the truth about something big that you wouldn't expect. Why was his admission about the reason for arms deals to Saudi Arabia surprising? Because we expect politicians to lie to try to deceive us about really important issues.

Anybody who watches politicians and thinks they have any sort of profound concern for the conveying a fair and balanced understanding of the world is a fool. Trump's quote about "very fine people" is useful to Democrats. They aren't going to help people find the wider context that he made it clear a few seconds later that he wasn't talking about neo-nazis. They tell politicians lies. Just like when Kamala painted Joe as some kind of racist/racist enabler in the debate, and now brushes that off as something she said because it was a debate. Some stupid lie Trump has told about the size of a crowd isn't going to offend me much in comparison.

The difference between us is that you think your guy is honest. I say you can't trust any of them.
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I interpret this as, "My guy's opponent isn't always honest, so this absolves my guy for his orders of magnitude worse lying."
 
The difference here is which other POTUS has not always simply affirmed that they will abide by the outcome of the election?

I suspect Trump is unique in this.
 
psionl0 said:
If you are going to whine again about the malapportionment feature then try not to be so misleading. You falsely imply that a vote in Wyoming is worth 800 times as much as a vote in California.

The fact is that Wyoming returns 3 EC votes at 16,667 voters per EC vote while California returns 57 EC votes at 701,754 voters per EC vote. So a vote in Wyoming is worth 42 times (not 800) times as much as a vote in California.
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42 times?! Why, that's practically 1 : 1!
 
shuttlt said:
Trump exaggerates, misremembers, and lies about trivial stuff.... and probably big stuff too. Then he'll tell the truth about something big that you wouldn't expect. Why was his admission about the reason for arms deals to Saudi Arabia surprising? Because we expect politicians to lie to try to deceive us about really important issues.

Anybody who watches politicians and thinks they have any sort of profound concern for the conveying a fair and balanced understanding of the world is a fool. Trump's quote about "very fine people" is useful to Democrats. They aren't going to help people find the wider context that he made it clear a few seconds later that he wasn't talking about neo-nazis. They tell politicians lies. Just like when Kamala painted Joe as some kind of racist/racist enabler in the debate, and now brushes that off as something she said because it was a debate. Some stupid lie Trump has told about the size of a crowd isn't going to offend me much in comparison.

The difference between us is that you think your guy is honest. I say you can't trust any of them.
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Perhaps Trump (and his enablers) repeating the the Russian Intelligence service's lie that it was Ukraine, and not Russia, that interfered in the 2016 election, was not big enough or important enough for you?

Perhaps the fact that Trump lied to the Special Counsel investigation was not big enough or important enough for you?

Perhaps Trump's repeated lies about the Coronavirus pandemic...

1. It will weaken when we get into April, in the warmer weather
2. "It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle—it will disappear."
3. "deaths by suicide definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about”
4. The pandemic is "fading away. It’s going to fade away."
5. "The pandemic is "getting under control."
6. "99%" of COVID-19 cases are "totally harmless."
7. "Mexico is partly to blame for COVID-19 surges in the Southwest."
8. Children are "virtually immune" to COVID-19.
9. Hydroxychoroquine cures the virus
10 Bright light and bleach injections will protect you from the virus
11. "Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country."
12. Racial-justice protests and demonstrations fuelled a surge in coronavirus cases.
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...were not big enough or important enough for you?

And there are dozens of other lies about the pandemic you can read about here.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/08/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/

Trumps bare faced lies about the pandemic have been consequential - they have cost thousands of American lives!
 
shuttlt said:
"His only concern is how it effects him and his." is an opinion.
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No, it's a tentative conclusion based on an overwhelming amount of data.

Once again: you don't get to make an opinion more valuable by calling the facts it disagrees with "opinions", just like theists calling science a "religion" doesn't make their religion more correct.
 
shuttlt said:
Trump's quote about "very fine people" is useful to Democrats. They aren't going to help people find the wider context that he made it clear a few seconds later that he wasn't talking about neo-nazis.
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Your "wider context" is a bs talking point for Trump enablers.

The rally was organized and advertised by and for white supremacists / neo nazis. That's a fact by the way, not an opinion. It was not organized by some Aunt Betty type at the historical preservation society or whatever. There were not very fine people on both sides, unless you count nazis.


The difference between us is that you think your guy is honest. I say you can't trust any of them.
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Elephants are grey. They are mammals. If provoked, they will trample you to death. Oh look a mouse. It's grey. It's a mammal. Run for your life!!

You are brazenly and blindly carrying the water of a lying, demented wannabe dictator.
 
Trump: "I'm not going to accept the results of the election."
Left: "We're worried Trump isn't going to accept the results of the election."
Right: "LOL triggered dramatic libs. He never said that."
Trump: "No I'm literally saying that. Here I'll say it again."
Right: "LOL triggered libs."
 
shuttlt said:
If you say that when he says specifically that he isn't talking about neo-Nazi's, that he is talking about neo-Nazi's, and you leave off the fact that he said he wasn't a few seconds later, then I'm certainly not going to rely on you to truthfully convey information or be impressed when you claim Trump is dishonest.

Also, why should I listen to any further context you provide? How is that going to be helpful to me? I'm just going to stick to the original claim that he said that neo-Nazi's were fine people and call you a liar based on that. Why should I care about context, and clarification when you don't?
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I'm not really seeing a problem here. The dumb son of a bitch should have kept his mouth shut if he doesn't like people saying that he said Nazis were fine people.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Given Trump's tendency to act like a petulant child, I expect him to leave the White House early, head down to Mar-a-Lago sometime after the election.

He might try to write some Ex Orders during the lame-duck, passing out money to friends and relatives.

We should have a prediction thread.
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I think is precisely what will happen. He won't accept the election, go to Mar-a-Lago and sulk. Some of his followers still in the government will try to through monkey wrenches in the works of the transition. He won't want to be photographed being escorted out of the White House.

In January, he'll act all baffled about why his plane and most of his Secret Service detail and professional staff left for Washington. He'll claim there was a coup and we will likely see isolated but tragic incidents involving the Q morons and their guns.
 
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