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Cancel culture IRL

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d4m10n said:
FWIW - I did not intend this thread to be about just one attempted "cancellation" but rather about the broader phenomenon of leveraging social platforms to get an offending individual demonetized, deplatformed, disemployed, or otherwise sanctioned IRL as the result of collective protest.
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So how about Infowars as a victim of cancel culture?
 
Oh yeah, I sort of remember that now.

I guess you could call that cancel culture, though it doesn't seem to fit the usual pattern of a specific triggering event going viral and causing a backlash. (At least not that I can tell.)

If major social platforms don't want to host "content...glorifying violence" or "using dehumanizing language" I'm not seeing much of a problem there. It's their servers, after all, and I'm not getting the sense that any of those platforms are systematically eliminating the right-wing talk show types who don't engage in such behavior.
 
d4m10n said:
Oh yeah, I sort of remember that now.

I guess you could call that cancel culture, though it doesn't seem to fit the usual pattern of a specific triggering event going viral and causing a backlash. (At least not that I can tell.)

If major social platforms don't want to host "content...glorifying violence" or "using dehumanizing language" I'm not seeing much of a problem there. It's their servers, after all, and I'm not getting the sense that any of those platforms are systematically eliminating the right-wing talk show types who don't engage in such behavior.
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But it fits the claims of cancel culture far better, it was multiple platforms deplatforming them, way more clear than someone losing a job because of a racist rant in public.

It goes to the point that cancel culture isn't a thing, it is just a buzz word for people being upset about their behavior being viewed as problematic now when it was accepted in the past. And everyone has plenty of cases that they endorse this cultural enforcement and cases they object to it. It isn't the loss of job or the like that is the problem but if you take issue with the behavior that is causes this cultural enforcement.

Which is exactly the point, we can debate the merits of the results in specific cases, be it donglegate or cops getting "fired" when a video of them assaulting black kids goes viral. And we agree with the firing or disagree with it. That does not make one more cancel culture than the other.

The only way that anything is changing is that it is harder to be anonymous. Of course anonymity is far from a human universal, as most cultures were small enough that you had to make a serious effort to not be known to everyone in your village, like moving to somewhere no one knew you.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Which is exactly the point, we can debate the merits of the results in specific cases, be it donglegate or cops getting "fired" when a video of them assaulting black kids goes viral. And we agree with the firing or disagree with it. That does not make one more cancel culture than the other.
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Who said otherwise?
 
"So how about Infowars as a victim of cancel culture?"

1. Rule of So

2. Nope, they're a victim of Alex Jones' wilful ignorance and blind stupidity.
 
smartcooky said:
"So how about Infowars as a victim of cancel culture?"

1. Rule of So

2. Nope, they're a victim of Alex Jones' wilful ignorance and blind stupidity.
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Then what is cancel culture aside from all the consequences Jones has faced, why isn't that cancel culture? He was certainly canceled.
 
With the disclaimer that I've never heard of either of these YouTubers, or seen any of their videos until Charlie did a video about the "controversy" a couple days ago, a prominent YouTuber with almost 5 million subscribers has had his channel deleted by YouTube for a "targeted harassment" campaign against another YouTuber.



To me, it seems pretty blatant. That is, if there's a rule against targeted harassment of other YouTube content creators, then this sort of behavior would seem to fall clearly within the definition of the banned behavior. (I'm going by Charlie's description of it. I never saw any of the videos in question.)
 
Puppycow said:
To me, it seems pretty blatant. That is, if there's a rule against targeted harassment of other YouTube content creators, then this sort of behavior would seem to fall clearly within the definition of the banned behavior.
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I don't follow many YT folks but I've seen at least a few tiffs in which they go back and forth making videos rebutting each other and occasionally putting in a few personal jibes. For example, Noel Plum and Essence of Thought have gone back and forth on no-platforming and on fairness in sport, among other things. Can we trust the YouTube mods to understand these videos referencing each other as serialized public debate rather than targeted harassment?
 
d4m10n said:
I don't follow many YT folks but I've seen at least a few tiffs in which they go back and forth making videos rebutting each other and occasionally putting in a few personal jibes. For example, Noel Plum and Essence of Thought have gone back and forth on no-platforming and on fairness in sport, among other things. Can we trust the YouTube mods to understand these videos referencing each other as serialized public debate rather than targeted harassment?
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Well, if neither channel has been sanctioned by YouTube yet, maybe so far, so good. Hopefully certain decisions are not left to algorithms to decide.

I know that a certain chess YouTuber who I subscribe to had a video taken down once for reasons that remain mysterious (I suspect a 4chan prank). There was absolutely nothing controversial in the video. I think it was just an interview between the YouTuber and a high-ranking chess player. At the time there was a 4chan troll campaign to say that chess is racist because white moves first. The video was restored eventually, but only after a twitter campaign from his subscribers.
 
Darat said:
What is the point you are trying to make by sharing that link?
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I too am curious.

Response to the video seems to be pretty unanimously critical of whatever weird performative nonsense the crowd was up to.

No idea what this has to do with cancel culture. I see no one getting cancelled here.
 
Darat said:
What is the point you are trying to make by sharing that link?
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Nayna puts forth the hypothesis that the crowd is comfortable with mass public shaming IRL b/c they've been acculterated to performative shaming online. I think he may be on to something here, if only because I've trouble imagining feeling that good about bullying someone like this.

ETA: Here's another angle on that incident.

https://twitter.com/rawsmedia/status/1298467900756496387
 
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