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Split Thread Vitamin C as a cure for illnesses

IsThisTheLife

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Rolfe said:
One third will not refuse to take it. I consider anyone who says unreservedly right now that they would take a coronavirus vaccine to be dangerously complacent and a lot of people would answer in that spirit. Once the vaccine is a real thing that can be discussed sensibly that will change.

Most people will take it, and those that won't should find their lives somewhat constrained as a result. Compulsory 14-day quarantine on returning from abroad for a start.
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All you need to do is stock up with vitamin C powder (very cheap - at the moment). If you even suspect you've contracted C19 take 3-4 hourly doses of 5-6 grams for several days. If you know it's prevalent and your exposure risk is high, do the same. You may well get the runs, IOW reach what's called your 'bowel tolerance' limit and if it's really bad back off the dosage until it's at least,er, under control. This kills ALL viruses, not just C19. Or don't, as your quack will surely advise you.
 
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I'm curious. I warn you though, I have cellular and molecular/ microbiology training, and remember a few of the mechanisms. By the way, Vitamin C is ascorbic acid.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
I'm curious. I warn you though, I have cellular and molecular/ microbiology training, and remember a few of the mechanisms. By the way, Vitamin C is ascorbic acid.
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Jesus wept.

Whatever. Totally OT, but given your undoubted expertise in cellular biology this might pique your equally undoubted curioisity (surely the mainspring of the 'skeptical' mind), let me tell you about something else vitamin C (therapy) is useful for - slowing or even stopping the progress of malignancies.

Me, I'm two years and three months from first symptoms of what's turned out to be a stem cell (AKA plasma cell) malignancy (a very rare type, 1 in 1,000,000) that was diagnosed in June last year. The protocol used to treat it is, at present, the same as for myeloma (both are "treatable but terminal")- poison you to just short of killing you, killing ALL your stem/plasma cells with 'cytotoxins' AKA 'chemotherapy' after 'harvesting' healthy ones for subsequent autologous transplanting (or grafting). Nice.

The median time to being completely bed-ridden from first symptoms caused by the damage the free light chains (protein fragments produced by the malignant plasma cells) do to the body is 2-3 years.

Immediately the blood work that revealed it came in (last June) I commenced a regime of min 40g up to 100g C daily (generally c. 60-70g split into doses 3-4 hours apart - (a hiatus at night, obviously, but I take at least one nocturnally). The debilitating fatigue that was afflicting me by that time lifted immediately, i.e within 24 hours (but returns as quickly if I get complacent and miss doses for even half a day, six hours).

I'm still on my feet (albeit on crutches) and generally feeling well after no other intervention. Paraproteins are still up but the free light chains are down 50% compared to that time.

My consultant at University College Hospital London would prefer it if I stopped (even if there is absolutely NO toxicity limit, it doesn't work so just ... stop it will you?). Almost literally a case of "who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes".

As it happens I'm going up to town for a cosnultation with her next Wednesday. I wonder what she'll have to say when I tell her I'm considering IV vitamin C therapy?
 
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Silly Green Monkey said:
I'm curious. I warn you though, I have cellular and molecular/ microbiology training, and remember a few of the mechanisms. By the way, Vitamin C is ascorbic acid.
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By the way, vitamin C is 'ascorbate'. (L) ascorbic acid is an ascorbate, the most easily made one (simply fermented from glucose). Ascorbate synthsised by higher animals that can do so (which is almost all) is as other forms. Primates are the only mammalian group (which includes homo sapiens sapiens) that completely lack the ability and have to obtain it in diet. Almost all, with the exception of homo sapiens sapiens, are arboreal and it's estimated that they obtain c. 4-5g or more daily per 50Kg of body mass from their diets. The implication is that most homo sapiens sapiens spend their lives chronically deficient in ascorbate. Even more to pique your boundless curiosity?
 
Vitamin C, also known as ascorbic acid and ascorbate, is a vitamin found in various foods and sold as a dietary supplement. It is used to prevent and treat scurvy. Vitamin C is an essential nutrient involved in the repair of tissue and the enzymatic production of certain neurotransmitters. Wikipedia
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I'm still curious what cellular mechanisms are interacting with ascorbic acid as your post is long on descriptions of your condition, descriptions of the dose, but not on how it works. I'm a nuts and bolts type, interested in the deepest workings of the biological machine that has created me. What proteins on the cellular wall pick up the C, where does it get shipped to in the cells infected or otherwise (does it prevent the virus from entering new cells?). How much is too much?

I'm also interested in the light chains, I've been able to find out what they are (product of white blood cells) but not what have a large excess does. Are you sure that the chains are what cause your fatigue, or are they another symptom of the underlying cause that your dosing is treating?
 
Anyone who likes is welcome to walk into a high-risk viral environment and stuff themselves to the eyeballs with vitamin C. I won't be joining them. I'll leave others to continue the demolition of the quack.
 
Rolfe said:
Anyone who likes is welcome to walk into a high-risk viral environment and stuff themselves to the eyeballs with vitamin C. I won't be joining them. I'll leave others to continue the demolition of the quack.
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All that I know about vitamin C is that it is water-soluble. This means that if the body does not use it, the vitamin is pissed out of the body. So a mega dose is unlikely to do anything more beneficial than a much smaller dose would.
 
rjh01 said:
All that I know about vitamin C is that it is water-soluble. This means that if the body does not use it, the vitamin is pissed out of the body. So a mega dose is unlikely to do anything more beneficial than a much smaller dose would.
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At the dosage being referenced you get fun things like kidney stones and all kinds of other problems.
 
rjh01 said:
All that I know about vitamin C is that it is water-soluble. This means that if the body does not use it, the vitamin is pissed out of the body. So a mega dose is unlikely to do anything more beneficial than a much smaller dose would.
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Which will be obvious when your pee is coming out an intense bright or deep dark color instead of pale yellow. As it does with many vitamin overdoses.
 
Can I take my Vitamin C megadose at the same time as my hydroxychloroquine, oleander, bleach, colloidal silver, and eye of newt, or does it need to be taken separately?
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
I'm still curious what cellular mechanisms are interacting with ascorbic acid as your post is long on descriptions of your condition, descriptions of the dose, but not on how it works. I'm a nuts and bolts type, interested in the deepest workings of the biological machine that has created me. What proteins on the cellular wall pick up the C, where does it get shipped to in the cells infected or otherwise (does it prevent the virus from entering new cells?). How much is too much?

I'm also interested in the light chains, I've been able to find out what they are (product of white blood cells) but not what have a large excess does. Are you sure that the chains are what cause your fatigue, or are they another symptom of the underlying cause that your dosing is treating?
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There is no way I'm going to precis answers to all that (google is your friend! Or used to be).

But put simply, the malignant plasma cells are produced in such numbers that one's blood actually runs thick with them. They produce 'lambda' and 'gamma' free light chain protein fragments, and the lambda chains plaque in every tissue in the body. Most people eventually succumb to 'end organ failure' - can be lliver, kidneys, heart, lungs, depending on predisposition.

The first symptoms (as with me) are of polyneuropathy (starting periphrally) from nerve demyelination - loss of sensation, motor control and eventually fairly severe neuropathic pain.

And yes, as with almost all malignancies there is resulting 'malaise' and acute fatigue which lifted *instantly*, not gradually, I began the vit C mega-dose protocol. Otherwise I continued deteriorating for most of 2019, lost a lot of weight (limbs like sticks, ribs showing, but with acute abdominal fluid retention from the oedema - lympathic fluid leaking into tissue from damage to the fine lymphatic capillaries - think 'human spider', not a good look) that somewhat offset the loss of fat and muscle and other tissue.

Almost unnoticed I began to improve from around November and by early this year I had regained most of the lost muscle mass. *Everyone* has told me how deathly I looked last year and much better I am now.

Does vit C therapy work? I would say I'm living proof, but that won't satisfy a 'skeptic' (AKA conformist). There has never been and will never be a 'trial' to provide the absolute proof some will demand (can you figure out why? Vitamin C is so cheap it's practically free - think 'conflict of interest')
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Does vit C therapy work? I would say I'm living proof, but that won't satisfy a 'skeptic' (AKA conformist). There has never been and will never be a 'trial' to provide the absolute proof some will demand (can you figure out why? Vitamin C is so cheap it's practically free - think 'conflict of interest')
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Every morning I open the window and take a deep breath. Haven't been ill in 3 years. Does oxygen therapy work? I would say I'm living proof, but that won't satisfy a 'skeptic' (AKA conformist). There has never been and will never be a 'trial' to provide the absolute proof some will demand (can you figure out why? oxygen is free - think 'conflict of interest')
 
RedStapler said:
Every morning I open the window and take a deep breath. Haven't been ill in 3 years. Does oxygen therapy work? I would say I'm living proof, but that won't satisfy a 'skeptic' (AKA conformist). There has never been and will never be a 'trial' to provide the absolute proof some will demand (can you figure out why? oxygen is free - think 'conflict of interest')
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Argumentum ad absurdum.

I spent five days at the University College Hospital London last November being studied as part of the 'cohort' of all confirmed cases (numbering c. 114) of this disease in the UK - lumber puncture, nerve conduction study, more blood samples than I could count, CAT scan et al.). This isn't anything vague, it's a rare but specific malignancy with specific changes in blood chemistry, specific symptoms and a firmly established prognosis for sufferers.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Argumentum ad absurdum.
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You mean the "arguments" for your vit C therapy? Yeah, extremely silly and absurd.

IsThisTheLife said:
I spent five days at the University College Hospital London last November being studied as part of the 'cohort' of all confirmed cases (numbering c. 114) of this disease in the UK - lumber puncture, nerve conduction study, more blood samples than I could count, CAT scan et al.). This isn't anything vague, it's a rare but specific malignancy with specific changes in blood chemistry, specific symptoms and a firmly established prognosis for sufferers.
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Nice anecdote, my oxygen therapy is still superior to your silly vit C therapy. :)
 
RedStapler said:
You mean the "arguments" for your vit C therapy? Yeah, extremely silly and absurd.



Nice anecdote, my oxygen therapy is still superior to your silly vit C therapy. :)
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To reiterate; if I stop the vit. C mega-dosing for even half a day the malaise and fatigue return like a ton of bricks almost instantly. How do you explain this? Placebo? Pychosomia? My imagination?
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Arguing with you guys is like trying to nail a turd to a wall.
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Why argue?

Why not just clearly answer the questions of people who are curious about your suggestion? That would be like putting a pushpin in a cork board, I would think.

Surely you have some idea for how it is working or you wouldn't be promoting it. So, take this opportunity to lay out that mechanism to help others understand.

Or argue. But understand the choice was yours.

ETA: I'm glad you are feeling better. Cheers to your continued health.
 
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