Cont: The all-new "US Politics and coronavirus" thread pt. 2

[newyorkguy]

It's difficult to compare the U.S. with Europe because the severity of the Covid-19 outbreak has been so much worse in the U.S. compared to Europe. As the charts below indicate, at its worst, the outbreak was less severe than it is in the United States right now. Despite having twice the population of the U.S., European countries are currently reporting less than half as many new cases.

 

[newyorkguy]

Early on Italy had a big problem but has done quite well in getting their numbers down. Forbes magazine reports:

Italy was unusual in keeping all schools closed after its initial lockdown ended, though it was of course hit very badly by the pandemic early on. Now, it plans to reopen schools on Sept. 14. Classes will need to be smaller to allow for social distancing—50,000 temporary teaching staff are supposedly going to be brought onboard to make this possible, with federal funding, and some school districts are literally sawing desks apart so children won't need to be too close to one another. Students and teachers will have to wear masks (and the latter will need to wear face shields, too). There will also be a big push to hold lessons outdoors where possible, or take classes to theaters and museums. Forbes article

Currently Italy, with a population of about sixty million people, is reporting less than 700 new cases a day. California with a population of roughly forty million, reported more than 12,000 new cases on Friday. Italy hasn't reported 1,000 or more cases on a single day since early May. In fact, Italy's highest daily total ever was 6,657 on March 21st, less than half what California reported two days ago.

 

[Craig4]

Europe doesn’t have a problem opening schools
https://www.wsj.com/articles/school...batebut-more-masks-and-distancing-11597423822

That's because most of the European countries have mature adults with an understanding of science in charge. They got the virus under control and then opened schools. We screwed up by the numbers and then some states, the ones with morons in charge opened schools while community spread was rampant. There's a bit of a difference.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/15/politics/cdc-trump-deployment-announcement/index.html

Trump makes another useless effort to help schools reopen. He announced that the CDC is ready to deploy teams to help schools reopen. Of course he didn't bother to tell the CDC they were doing that. What the hell are they going to do? There's no vaccine and we already know how to prevent the spread of the virus. Will a team being in a school change what they have to do? The CDC can say masks, social distancing, hand washing just as easily from Washington DC as they can from anywhere else.

This gave me an image in my head of some kind of virus fighting teams at every school. I picture some sort of blend of hazmat gear and the ghostbusters. "Virus in North 1 house! Prime the virus traps and check your hydroxy rifles!"

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Trump claims he's sending in the CDC (not relevant if he does or doesn't) because he knows he can then blame the CDC for the schools not opening or for the failure if they do open.

 

[Gavin]

It's difficult to compare the U.S. with Europe because the severity of the Covid-19 outbreak has been so much worse in the U.S. compared to Europe. As the charts below indicate, at its worst, the outbreak was less severe than it is in the United States right now. Despite having twice the population of the U.S., European countries are currently reporting less than half as many new cases.

Only 45 American kids under 15 have died of Covid.
And only 11,371 Americans under 55 have died plus 80% of the fatalities where 65 and above and had prior illness
It’s not seen as a great risk children are more likely to get struck by lightning then dying of covid

 

[Lurch]

Only 45 American kids under 15 have died of Covid.
And only 11,371 Americans under 55 have died plus 80% of the fatalities where 65 and above and had prior illness
It’s not seen as a great risk children are more likely to get struck by lightning then dying of covid

As has been pointed out numerous times...

Kids also spread the virus! Congregating them in a building and then sending them back out into their homes is a virus' wet dream. Doing this repeatedly is virus nirvana.

Like Drumpf, you are fixated on an isolated factoid, ignoring the big picture. Which contributes to the reasons why the US leads, by far, in both infection numbers and idiocy.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Only 45 American kids under 15 have died of Covid.
And only 11,371 Americans under 55 have died plus 80% of the fatalities where 65 and above and had prior illness
It’s not seen as a great risk children are more likely to get struck by lightning then dying of covid

And we should believe that is accurate and up-to-date data, why?

Not to mention no, that many kids don't get struck by lightning in the US and if you are talking about worldwide you are comparing apples and dirt.

 

[Resume]

It’s not seen as a great risk children are more likely to get struck by lightning then dying of covid

Kids don't spread lightning.

Of course you're also ignoring the children who suffer other ailments related to COVID like Kawasaki's and MIS-C. I don't care how you attempt to minimize it, exposing millions of children to this virus is not likely to have a good outcome; we don't know what we don't know about COVID and it isn't prudent to use schools as petri dishes to discover just how little we do know. Our track record in the US so far tells us how bad we are at flying by the seat of our pants.

 

[Gavin]

Kids don't spread lightning.

Of course you're also ignoring the children who suffer other ailments related to COVID like Kawasaki's and MIS-C. I don't care how you attempt to minimize it, exposing millions of children to this virus is not likely to have a good outcome; we don't know what we don't know about COVID and it isn't prudent to use schools as petri dishes to discover just how little we do know. Our track record in the US so far tells us how bad we are at flying by the seat of our pants.

Both are Extremely rare extremely rare with are with out covid

multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C). This syndrome is rare, and most children who have it eventually get better with medical care. Though children of all ages can become sick with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), most kids who are infected typically don't become as sick as adults do. Some children who have an active infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 might not show any signs or symptoms at all.

Still, you may have heard about a serious inflammatory syndrome in children, including some teenagers, that appears to be linked to COVID-19. It's called multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C). This syndrome is rare, and most children who have it eventually get better with medical care.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...depth/mis-c-in-children-covid-19/art-20486809

 

[kookbreaker]

Both are Extremely rare extremely rare with are with out covid

multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C). This syndrome is rare, and most children who have it eventually get better with medical care. Though children of all ages can become sick with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), most kids who are infected typically don't become as sick as adults do. Some children who have an active infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 might not show any signs or symptoms at all.

Still, you may have heard about a serious inflammatory syndrome in children, including some teenagers, that appears to be linked to COVID-19. It's called multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C). This syndrome is rare, and most children who have it eventually get better with medical care.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...depth/mis-c-in-children-covid-19/art-20486809

Assuming all you say is true or relevant:

Who is paying for all this medical care?

 

[Resume]

Both are Extremely rare extremely rare with are with out covid]

I don't care how rare your extremely limited research data may suggest, it's gonna be less rare if you crowd kids together, hold your breath and hope. Millions and millions of viral vectors stuffed into buildings together is going to get you a **** load of data points. Data points that will certainly spread the virus in ways we can't yet know or predict. You don't know and can't know enough about this virus to make declarations about safety; you are pulling predictions from your ass, and I for one wouldn't risk lives based on anything coming from that orifice.

 

[Gavin]

As has been pointed out numerous times...

Kids also spread the virus! Congregating them in a building and then sending them back out into their homes is a virus' wet dream. Doing this repeatedly is virus nirvana.

Like Drumpf, you are fixated on an isolated factoid, ignoring the big picture. Which contributes to the reasons why the US leads, by far, in both infection numbers and idiocy.

Doesn’t anyone here provide any data are sources to back up there claims?
Plus ignored my data I gave you only 11,371 Americans under 55 have died plus 80% of the fatalities where 65 and above and had prior illness.

And there are countries and one state that I know that had no lockdowns are restrictions to go by.
Like South Dakota
Coronavirus Cases:
10,274
Deaths:
153

 

[Gavin]

I don't care how rare your extremely limited research data may suggest, it's gonna be less rare if you crowd kids together, hold your breath and hope. Millions and millions of viral vectors stuffed into buildings together is going to get you a **** load of data points. Data points that will certainly spread the virus in ways we can't yet know or predict. You don't know and can't know enough about this virus to make declarations about safety; you are pulling predictions from your ass, and I for one wouldn't risk lives based on anything coming from that orifice.

You have gave me nothing but anecdotal evidence at least I know newyorkguy has some truth in his posts he does provide data and a source!

 

[JoeMorgue]

Well I was against intentionally letting a pandemic spread among our children but a screenshot of a tweet with emojis, as all good scientific papers have, was enough to change my mind.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

What, South Korea didn't do lockdowns? I'd heard they were the first, while the US government insisted the virus would never come here. That it was why they'd almost stomped out the virus in their country before relaxing the lockdowns and having it crop up a little.

 

[JeanTate]

Doesn’t anyone here provide any data are sources to back up there claims?
Plus ignored my data I gave you only 11,371 Americans under 55 have died plus 80% of the fatalities where 65 and above and had prior illness.

And there are countries and one state that I know that had no lockdowns are restrictions to go by.
Like South Dakota
Coronavirus Cases:
10,274
Deaths:
153

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“Chose not to lockdown”, eh? I wonder who decided which places to add to such a list?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Also a county wouldn't have to lock down if their citizens just voluntarily decided to make rational decisions and take precautions instead of the US where 40% of the population are psychopathic manchildren who are more worried about their God Given right to lick smallpox scabs and pet plague rats.

 

[JeanTate]

Only 45 American kids under 15 have died of Covid.
And only 11,371 Americans under 55 have died plus 80% of the fatalities where 65 and above and had prior illness
It’s not seen as a great risk children are more likely to get struck by lightning then dying of covid

Did you forget to add “so far, and as far as we know”?

Also, did I miss the part where you gave your source?

 

[Resume]

You have gave me nothing but anecdotal evidence at least I know newyorkguy has some truth in his posts he does provide data and a source!

Kawasaki's and MIS-C are both well-observed conditions a simple google search away, as is the virology and contagion of COVID-19. What we don't know it how much more serious these will be with added millions of viral vectors thrown together willy-nilly; we can however logically deduce a negative outcome.

Once again, we are only 7 or 8 months into this pandemic and we have only that much data with which to make sound public health decisions, and so far, the US has made demonstrably poor ones. There is conflicting data concerning COVID-19 in school-age children and good reason to err on the side of caution concerning their health, or their ability to spread the virus to a vulnerable population.

You are not an epidemiologist, which is abundantly clear with every post you make; neither am I but the difference is that I recognize there is much we need to learn about the virus, and no reason to make rash public health decisions based on misinterpreted, incomplete or insufficient data.