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Cancel culture IRL

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Emily's Cat said:
It's not that "cancel culture" needs to be criminalized at all. It's that it needs to be acknowledged as a behavior that increases the probability of anonymous criminal behavior, that has real world consequences for the targets including emotional trauma as well as loss of livelihood and potential violence, and that it should be discouraged.
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I agree.
It is the 'broken window' theory of social media justice (aka vigilante-ism). Allow a little, then more are emboldened, then more, then worse and worse consequences, etc...
This isn't a slippery slope fallacy. A segment of our culture has been demonstrably sliding down for a while. The pitchforks and burning stakes are in full force.

I'm lucky to have grown up in the 80's and I warn my kid all the time that her texts should be all nice/neutral things if she must text at all. Never a negative opinion and never her personal info. Everything you type will be FOREVER.
So far, so good.
 
Sherkeu said:
I agree.
It is the 'broken window' theory of social media justice (aka vigilante-ism). Allow a little, then more are emboldened, then more, then worse and worse consequences, etc...
This isn't a slippery slope fallacy. A segment of our culture has been demonstrably sliding down for a while. The pitchforks and burning stakes are in full force.

I'm lucky to have grown up in the 80's and I warn my kid all the time that her texts should be all nice/neutral things if she must text at all. Never a negative opinion and never her personal info. Everything you type will be FOREVER.
So far, so good.
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Look what can happen for merely praising hitler. Doesn't everyone go through that nazi stage in high school?
 
d4m10n said:
What the **** is this supposed to mean?
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That's what the racist daughter of the restaurant was spreading, among other things. Seems that she was (and remains?) quite the vile racist. Not just your everyday racism, but Nazi-boosting, racial slur spewing, advanced racism.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
That's what the racist daughter of the restaurant was spreading, among other things. Seems that she was (and remains?) quite the vile racist. Not just your everyday racism, but Nazi-boosting, racial slur spewing, advanced racism.
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Which many view as normal teen behavior.
 
d4m10n said:
Ricki Gervais weighs in on "cancel culture" in his own words:
https://twitter.com/nickgillespie/status/1293545834165002248

"When people are trying to get someone fired because they don't like their opinion about something that's nothing to do with their job, that's what I call cancel culture."
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********.

How can you know that for someone who is a racist, that their racism will not have anything to do with their job?

See my example of the woman in Tennessee screaming "White Lives Matter More" as a counter protest to BLM. She was it appears a receptionists at an eye doctor.

Would you assume that if a black person came into their clinic, that they would be treated the same as a white person? I don't think you can make that assumption.

If I am an employer and I find out through an off-duty activity that an employee is a racist and I don't want to risk having a discrimination incident, I'm getting rid of that person.

Seriously, would Ricky claim that it doesn't matter if someone is a member of the KKK if they only wear their KKK robes on weekends?
 
pgwenthold said:
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How can you know that for someone who is a racist, that their racism will not have anything to do with their job?

See my example of the woman in Tennessee screaming "White Lives Matter More" as a counter protest to BLM. She was it appears a receptionists at an eye doctor.

Would you assume that if a black person came into their clinic, that they would be treated the same as a white person? I don't think you can make that assumption.

If I am an employer and I find out through an off-duty activity that an employee is a racist and I don't want to risk having a discrimination incident, I'm getting rid of that person.

Seriously, would Ricky claim that it doesn't matter if someone is a member of the KKK if they only wear their KKK robes on weekends?
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Which is why it is so important for employers to screen against hiring people who have outed themselves. Like, Ex-cons, for example.
How could they possibly know that a history of theft, lies, or assault will not affect a potential hires performance?
 
pgwenthold said:
********.

How can you know that for someone who is a racist, that their racism will not have anything to do with their job?

See my example of the woman in Tennessee screaming "White Lives Matter More" as a counter protest to BLM. She was it appears a receptionists at an eye doctor.

Would you assume that if a black person came into their clinic, that they would be treated the same as a white person? I don't think you can make that assumption.

If I am an employer and I find out through an off-duty activity that an employee is a racist and I don't want to risk having a discrimination incident, I'm getting rid of that person.

Seriously, would Ricky claim that it doesn't matter if someone is a member of the KKK if they only wear their KKK robes on weekends?
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Exactly. Yet it is always the racists losing their jobs that people call as cancel culture not the automotive mechanics losing their job because their coworkers were loging into their Onlyfans page at work.

Why isn't Melissa Petro a model of and perfect example of this "cancel culture"? It is only ever seems to be to give bigots a pass and never anyone else.
 
d4m10n said:
Ricki Gervais weighs in on "cancel culture" in his own words:
https://twitter.com/nickgillespie/status/1293545834165002248

"When people are trying to get someone fired because they don't like their opinion about something that's nothing to do with their job, that's what I call cancel culture."
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Man who says offensive things for a living in "thinks people should be able to say offensive things without suffering any negative consequences" shocker! News at 11!
 
ponderingturtle said:
Exactly. Yet it is always the racists losing their jobs that people call as cancel culture not the automotive mechanics losing their job because their coworkers were loging into their Onlyfans page at work.

Why isn't Melissa Petro a model of and perfect example of this "cancel culture"? It is only ever seems to be to give bigots a pass and never anyone else.
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Come to that, why isn't racists creating a hostile workplace for BAME people and/or simply not hiring them in the first place not cancel culture?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Come to that, why isn't racists creating a hostile workplace for BAME people and/or simply not hiring them in the first place not cancel culture?
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Nonsense that is just good old traditional values. Cancel culture is when you face consequences for racially harassing your neighbors.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Why isn't Melissa Petro a model of and perfect example of this "cancel culture"?
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Who's saying she isn't? It's hard for me to see why it should matter that she was formerly a sex worker.

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pgwenthold said:
If I am an employer and I find out through an off-duty activity that an employee is a racist and I don't want to risk having a discrimination incident, I'm getting rid of that person.
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Back in the 70s, a man was watching television one night and saw an employee holding up an "Impeach Nixon" sign. The man was a Nixon fan, so he fired the employee the next morning.

There was a study some years ago (pre-Trump) showing that liberals were more likely to block conservative friends on Facebook for political content than vice-versa. Conservatives praised the research because it seemed to demonstrate that they were more tolerant. However, if liberals were blocking conservatives for racist comments (like calling Obama a monkey), then it could just prove that conservatives tend to be more intolerable.

I want workplace protections for someone holding up an "Impeach Nixon" sign (or an "Impeach Obama" sign, for that matter), but you're right that racism along the lines of "White Lives Matter More" can reasonably be construed as job-related.

Racism in America could be treated like gambling in baseball. You don't do it. Or at least you don't get caught. Baseball players can argue that there are arguably worse things such as PEDs and electronic sign stealing, but... at this point, all of the players should know not to bet on baseball. It almost destroyed the sport. These other types of cheating are newer, people need time to adjust as we muddle through. The same goes for controversial topics like biological differences between the sexes, trans issues, and so on, but when it comes to racism, you should know better.

This goes for undsiguised racism. It does not apply to the UCLA professor put on leave because he read Martin Luther King's "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" (which includes a racial slur). Or to comics working out material in a club.

Bringing things back around again, what are we going to do with the racist receptionist? Do we follow her to future employers? Is she going to be unemployed indefinitely, in which case she's subsidized by taxpayers?
 
d4m10n said:
Who's saying she isn't?

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None of those people attacking cancel culture. It is always the nazi who should really keep teaching middle school social studies who they prefer as examples. I mean what does it matter if the teacher actually believes in the holocaust or not?

But it is never the women fired for a racy picture on their social media that get held up it is always the bigot being called to account.

Everyone has examples of people fired for reasons they disagree with, that does not prove that cancel culture is a thing that exists let alone is a serious problem.
 
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Cain said:
Back in the 70s, a man was watching television one night and saw an employee holding up an "Impeach Nixon" sign. The man was a Nixon fan, so he fired the employee the next morning.
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So?

Nowadays, that employee would be able to go to social media and tell everyone that they got fired for supporting the impeachment of Nixon. And if people think that is a bad idea, they can let the company know.

I fail to see the concern?
 
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