Cont: The all-new "US Politics and coronavirus" thread pt. 2

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Everybody wears a properly fitting mask. Big fans on high speed everywhere indoors. These are the two not to be broken rules.

I think that covers it.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
And all the ancillary costs, like transporting students to these locations, securing access to the locations, ensuring these locations have the supplies needed.... that's a lot of money you're offering to outlay. Generous of you.
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Around here, transporting is not an issue. If you can go 3 miles to school, it seems easy to go 4 or 5. Some of the locations would actually be closer for students.. Kids are pretty densely populated here.

"Securing access" is simply good negotiation of the public good. What an awesome experience and story for the State College to open to the elementary kids and provide security for them. What an opportunity for those kids to experience a college campus. Good Will assets are valuable. (Ask any large corporation.)
It a matter of looking at the total public system and utilizing assets that are idle.

They won't do it. Instead, Newsom allocated 6 BILLION to teach the kids online, at home. Billion! That is over $1,000 per kid. How much do you think it cost to move a class? More than $30k?

My kids school can hold class anywhere. This year they will be at several community outdoor locations- like the Arboretum....mainly because there are fewer student volunteers in those places. Community involvement in service and mentoring is a part of the program. They said "If you bring your younger students, we will teach them!"

I think it is a big waste of an opportunity and a huge cost to the development of these children.

(this is not even mentioning the cost of nutrition programs, mental health, social skills, exercise, child abuse prevention, and the huge burden on working parents- who have had to quit and stay home...but that would be a very long post.)
 
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Newsom allocated 6 BILLION to teach the kids online, at home. Billion! That is over $1,000 per kid.
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What is the normal cost of educating a student?

NCES: Education Expenditures by Country
In 2016, the United States spent $13,600 per full-time-equivalent (FTE) student on elementary and secondary education...

Expenditures per FTE student at the elementary/secondary level varied across OECD countries2 in 2016, ranging from $3,200 in Colombia to $20,400 in Luxembourg.
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Sherkeu said:
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But that isnt the reason 'they' give for not opening. The Union wants things...as they always do. The kids are secondary to the perks of the teachers.
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That's a cheap shot. For one thing, not every community has the extensive resources yours seems to have ("We'll just move our school to the Arboretum!"). For another, older teachers are likely to be much more vulnerable to the severe effects of covid, and so are their families if they bring it home. We don't ask teachers to risk their lives for their jobs. And kids get sick, too, sometimes severely, and sometimes they even die.

And here's what happens when schools re-open without proper planning:
A coronavirus outbreak has been discovered at the Georgia high school that drew national attention last week after photos and videos of crowded hallways and unmasked students went viral on social media.

Nine people at North Paulding High School tested positive for the coronavirus after the first week of in-person instruction, according to officials in Paulding County, an outer suburb of Atlanta.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...tches-to-virtual-learning-after-9-positive-te

The largest school district in the state reported Sunday that 260 employees have tested positive for the coronavirus or are in quarantine because of possible exposure as they prepare for the new school year.
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https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-ne...oyees-not-working/RVZP4UFBPFHDNJJ73MNUFIKEPY/

Etc., etc.
 
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Sherkeu said:
But that isnt the reason 'they' give for not opening. The Union wants things...as they always do. The kids are secondary to the perks of the teachers.
I havent heard of any of the private school teachers not returning. I'm sure some may not due to being high risk but they understand the kids come first.
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Private school teachers understand that they generally make less money and have virtually no protection from being fired.
 
How long before Trump starts pimping his buddy's vaccine?
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said a locally developed vaccine for Covid-19 has been given regulatory approval after less than two months of testing on humans.

Mr Putin said the vaccine had passed all the required checks, adding that his daughter had already been given it.

Officials have said they plan to start mass vaccination in October.

Experts have raised concerns about the speed of Russia's work, suggesting that researchers might be cutting corners.

Amid fears that safety could have been compromised, the World Health Organization (WHO) urged Russia last week to follow international guidelines for producing a vaccine against Covid-19.
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Because I'm certain Vlad made sure all the T's were dotted and I's crossed.
 
Resume said:
How long before Trump starts pimping his buddy's vaccine?

Because I'm certain Vlad made sure all the T's were dotted and I's crossed.
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That's just what we need in this country to really get the anti-vaxxers going, an honest-to-god untested and potentially unsafe vaccine.
 
Resume said:
How long before Trump starts pimping his buddy's vaccine?

Because I'm certain Vlad made sure all the T's were dotted and I's crossed.
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Belz... said:
Russia cutting corners? Say it isn't so!
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How can you people even suspect such a thing? Russian consumer products have always been top class.

... which brings to mind the joke from Chernobyl: ""What’s as big as a house, burns 10 gallons of fuel per hour, puts out loads of smoke and noise, and cuts an apple into three pieces? A Russian machine to cut apples into four pieces."
 
Babbylonian said:
Private school teachers understand that they generally make less money and have virtually no protection from being fired.
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Stacyhs said:
That is absolutely true. Less money, most often no health insurance, and can be fired for no cause.
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This seems to insinuate they teach because they have no choice. This is WRONG.

I am personal friends with most of our teachers- even ones that have since left the school or retired. (they do have health ins. and retirement plan). Most have been with our school for 10+ years and believe in our program. (Our teacher has been there 30 years!) It is more of a vocation than a 'job'. Almost all of the newer ones switched from public schools for a better teaching environment. Kids that have learning disabilities do so great! (mainly because each kid is able to work at their own pace to master a skill- they are not left behind and the class is not slowed down)
All the teachers I have communicated with could not wait to get back to having the kids back on campus back in June. They arent even required to teach in the summer. Each teacher teaches the same students for 3 years so we all become like family after a while. We all paid in during the lockdown to keep the staff there.

It is a different culture.
There are things more valuable than 'more money'. My Catholic school teachers said the same thing waaaay back when.
 
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Resume said:
How long before Trump starts pimping his buddy's vaccine?

Because I'm certain Vlad made sure all the T's were dotted and I's crossed.
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What are these crossed and dotted letters of which you speak? All Trump cares about is whether they will secure him four more years.
 
Sherkeu said:
This seems to insinuate they teach because they have no choice. This is WRONG.
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After your insinuation that public school teachers don't care about the children they teach, you're in no position to get so indignant about those presenting simple facts about private school teachers that provide context for why the latter might not choose to protect themselves and their families from additional exposure to a dangerous virus.
There are things more valuable than 'more money'.
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Like living?
 
Stacyhs said:
Not necessarily. Depends on the school.
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Exactly, it is the school that decides who is qualified to teach not the state.

It would be like saying there are no safety standards for this industry and then saying that isn't true each company has their own standards.
 
Babbylonian said:
After your insinuation that public school teachers don't care about the children they teach, you're in no position to get so indignant about those presenting simple facts about private school teachers that provide context for why the latter might not choose to protect themselves and their families from additional exposure to a dangerous virus.
Like living?
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I am not saying it is the teachers...I am accusing the Teacher's Union - the political arm of that profession in my state.

I think most public teachers also want to get back in the classroom with their kids...but they can't. It is the leadership that sets the tone and is accountable.
 
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