Vixen
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The bit that says:
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That bit? Where it says the birth is registered.
Begum's birth was not registered with any Bangladeshi authority. Hence the brouhaha.
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The bit that says:
That bit? Where it says the birth is registered.
Begum's birth was not registered with any Bangladeshi authority. Hence the brouhaha.
Why are you ignoring what their actual laws state?
"5. Subject to the provisions of section 3 a person born after the commencement of this Act, shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent if his 1[father or mother] is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of his birth:"
Not can apply. Not is eligible. "Shall be a citizen".
Yeah you might want to read the whole thing instead of cherry picking a part out of context.
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If she had dual citizenship and the other country had revoked theirs then yes, I absolutely think we would have taken her back. We wouldn't have had a legal leg to stand on by revoking her British citizenship at that stage.
Screaming racism makes any further discussion pointless.
Steve
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The argument appears to be that Bangladesh can play fast and loose with their written laws if they wish but UK laws are cast in stone with no room for the courts to provide interpretation.
Vixen
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Wrong! The Home Office challenged the High Court Appeals Court decision to allow Begum to return to the UK to present her case. Their appeal succeeds and therefore it goes to the next level of court which is the Supreme Court.
To recap:
- Sajid Javid revoked Begum's UK citizenship as the Home Secretary
- Begum appealed against this on the point of law she has a right to be present at the hearing
- She won the appeal
- The Home Office - now headed by Priti Patel - has appealed against this decision on the point of law it is 'in the public interest' to not let someone who aligned with hostile foreign forces back in the country
- It won its appeal and the issue has now been referred to the Supreme Court as the next level court up.
The appellant - the Home Office - has to get the permission of the High Court to take the appeal further. So, yes, it was by consent of the High Court but the appellant is the Home Office. Had it not appealed against Begum returning to present her case, it would not now be going to the Supreme Court at all.
A judge cannot make a decision which has not been pleaded.
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Vixen
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She was born abroad so it is not automatic.
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Yeah, and to bring it to Bangladesh's attention, that person born abroad has to make them aware of their existence as in applying for citizenship.
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The race card has no place in this discussion. The issue of race was raised by you and no one else. It is nothing but a fall back position to your failed argument, an attempt at face-saving perhaps. You should respond to people’s arguments based on their words alone (as the mods have so recently reminded me quite clearly). There has been nothing remotely racist posted by RolandRat in this thread.
How often are criminals with dual citizenship such as her stripped of the UK citizenship then? Was this a common tactic in the troubles?
This seems like a very unusual and extreme step, and that it was taken against someone not white seems to be pretty relevant.
What would it take to have the government strip say Nigel Farange of his citizenship?
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Again all you are doing is saying that UK can determine who is a Bangladesh citizen. It is up to Bangladesh to decide who is their citizen and who isn't, just like we can with UK citizenship. Which I am absolutely 100% certain you wouldn't be saying if the countries were reversed.
Since we know that your "if" is not in play in this case as she doesn't have dual citizenship, she is/was a citizen of one country - the UK.
No - the argument is that she is not a Bangladesh citizen.
She may be eligible to apply for such citizenship but until she does it is irrelevant to her actual citizenship.
She has never had dual citizenship.
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Ok eligible for Dual Citizenship like Nigel Faragne before the Brexit vote. Seeing all the leaders of brexit lining up multiple passports it seems being eligible for dual citizenship is pretty common, so clearly stripping citizenship from criminals must also be commonplace. What are the stats on that?
And by the way the UK argument (when we were attempting to strip her of her UK citizenship) was not based on her being a Bangladesh citizen.
Vixen
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Did the Home Office appeal against the decision to allow Begum to return to present her case or did the Judges send it to the Supreme Court off its own bat?
The following article makes it very clear that the Home Office was represented at its appeal hearing, as the Appellant, by a QC, Sir James Eadie, and that means there was a hearing, as I stated, and in which they succeeded in their appeal to be allowed to appeal the decision to allow Begum onto UK soil.
Thus, Begum returning is delayed until the Supreme Court makes a decision.
The following article makes it very clear that the Home Office was represented at its appeal hearing, as the Appellant, by a QC, Sir James Eadie, and that means there was a hearing, as I stated, and in which they succeeded in their appeal to be allowed to appeal the decision to allow Begum onto UK soil.
Thus, Begum returning is delayed until the Supreme Court makes a decision.
That is assuming that at least one of her parents is a citizen of Bangladesh by birth, not descent. I'm not sure if that was ever definitely confirmed. If her parents had citizenship by descent, then her birth would also have to be registered at the Bangladesh consulate.
Assuming that she does have citizenship by descent, she will lose it sometime in the next year if she doesn't make an 'active effort to retain it'. It isn't clear whether it's possible to do this in her current situation, and it would probably be an unwise move if she is currently appealing the UK decision.
I'm looking for the stats but it appears to be about a 100 - for terrorism reasons. Can't see any stats for non-terrorism related crimes.
There is a report into the act but it is a few years old now https://assets.publishing.service.g...Anderson_QC_-_CITIZENSHIP_REMOVAL__print_.pdf
I was about to say the same thing myself. UK correctly applied the rules as they applied at the time, Bangladesh has decided it's own rules don't apply.