Cont: The all-new "US Politics and coronavirus" thread pt. 2

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...I was surprised that some Indiana schools are already open. Those poor kids are starting in the middle of summer.
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First the Republicans pushed to have Red states reopen ahead of medical recommendations and now those states are seeing big increases in new cases. Now it's the schools. This is absolute madness.
 

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Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.
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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...s-secret-testing-plan-went-poof-into-thin-air
 
jimbob said:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...s-secret-testing-plan-went-poof-into-thin-air
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Yeah... I poked at that on the general Trump Presidency thread, but... ugh.

It's probably well worth pointing anyone who complains about how "both sides" are politicizing COVID towards that, either way. We literally have the Trump side choosing not to respond because blue states were getting hurt more as part of a political strategy. Meanwhile, the Democrats are calling Trump and co out on how their actions have intentionally lead us to massive and largely preventable damage and death. Anyone who tries to equate the two is either really not paying attention in a remotely objective manner or is pushing an agenda.

When it comes to COVID... It's a depressingly stark contrast - Trump Republicans try to endanger people and kill for political gain. Democrats try to help people and save lives, with any political gain being a nice bonus.
 
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Dailykos said:
Trump killed plans for a national testing strategy, because COVID-19 'hit blue states hardest'
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This is prime attack ad material. Not just 'the Trump virus' as in 'the virus Trump ignored'. The virus Trump weaponised against the people of blue states. I hope everyone from the Dems to the Lincoln Project use this for all it's worth.
 
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jimbob said:
Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.
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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...s-secret-testing-plan-went-poof-into-thin-air
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It's absolutely horrendous anyone -- much less the president of the United States -- would do this. Or support it. Allow the virus to spread, sickening people and killing some of them, as partisan political strategy.

I understand the trumpites enjoy trolling people they disagree with politically -- libtards -- but they're actually okay with killing some of us, too? How can this be? Look what they're doing to this country. They're destroying it. :mad:

People try and rationalize this. 'Oh, the same thing is happening in the UK. Boris Johnson.' Think so?
 

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The US really is in a class of its own. You could say that a low level civil war is underway.
 
newyorkguy said:
I understand the trumpites enjoy trolling people they disagree with politically -- libtards -- but they're actually okay with killing some of us, too? How can this be?
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See the Dark Triad - Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy. Those who self-identify as "conservatives" tend to score much higher for those traits than self-identified "liberals," either way. That such people are much more likely to act to hurt everyone, so long as they end up comparatively better, has been rather integral to "conservative" thought, though especially since conservatives pointedly courted the racist vote.

newyorkguy said:
Look what they're doing to this country. They're destroying it. :mad:
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Well, yeah? That sorta is the legacy of people as corrupt and greedy as the current people in charge.
 
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Aridas said:
See the Dark Triad - Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy. Those who self-identify as "conservatives" tend to score much higher for those traits than self-identified "liberals," either way. That such people are much more likely to act to hurt everyone, so long as they end up comparatively better, has been rather integral to "conservative" thought, though especially since conservatives pointedly courted the racist vote.
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Fundamentally, liberals and progressives see all people as having certain basic rights, and the government as having certain core obligations. "Conservatives" divide the world into "them" and "us," and the "us" is entitled to take anything it can get from and do anything it wants to the "them."
 
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I used this link because the title of the url tickled me.

Around 200 boats filled with people showed up for the 10th annual White Trash Bash. While law enforcement officers were concerned about the spread of COVID-19, they say there’s not much they can do.

Perfect temperatures and perfect river levels meant a big turnout for the annual White Trash Bash. Around 500 people gathered in an alcove along the Illinois River. Director of Fon Du Lac Park District Mike Johnson said he expected a large crowd.

“We encourage them to practice social distancing,” Johnson said. “I don’t know how likely that’s going to be in this environment.”
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Central Illinois might be proud, but of what I'm not sure.

The all-day party consists of drinking, socializing and partying as a large group. Daniel Murphy was ready to get the party started.

“I’m just ready to tear it down,” Murphy said.

This was Murphy’s first ever event and said he and his friends are ready to have a good time with each other and hundreds of others.

Murphy and his friends say they aren’t concerned about potentially catching the virus in the large group of people.

“Definitely not,” Murphy said. “Not at all.”
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Because that worked out well for those spring-breakers.
 
Aridas said:
See the Dark Triad - Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy. Those who self-identify as "conservatives" tend to score much higher for those traits than self-identified "liberals," either way. That such people are much more likely to act to hurt everyone, so long as they end up comparatively better, has been rather integral to "conservative" thought, though especially since conservatives pointedly courted the racist vote.



Well, yeah? That sorta is the legacy of people as corrupt and greedy as the current people in charge.
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Slight Derail: I've always seen this as terribly unfair to Machiavelli. It takes the "Prince" completely out of the time and place it was written. It's not as if Machiavelli made Renaissance Italian politics the contact sport that it was.
 
I heard a sponsorship ad on NPR this morning from the Museum of the Bible here in DC. They're offering free admission to all health care workers. Perhaps the stupid mother ******* could support health care workers better by keeping their damn doors shut and not inviting people somewhere that spread of the virus is likely. I suspect most health care workers would prefer that.
 
Modified said:
...I was surprised that some Indiana schools are already open. Those poor kids are starting in the middle of summer.
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I see both sides of the 'reopen the schools' debate (at least the sides that debate it rationally), but schools that reopen WILL have problems. From a New York Times article published yesterday:
One of the first school districts in the country to reopen its doors during the coronavirus pandemic did not even make it a day before being forced to grapple with the issue facing every system actively trying to get students into classrooms: What happens when someone comes to school infected? Just hours into the first day of classes on Thursday, a call from the county health department notified Greenfield Central Junior High School in Indiana that a student who had walked the halls and sat in various classrooms had tested positive for the coronavirus. Administrators began an emergency protocol, isolating the student and ordering everyone who had come into close contact with the person, including other students, to quarantine for 14 days. It is unclear whether the student infected anyone else.

To avoid the same scenario, hundreds of districts across the country that were once planning to reopen their classrooms, many on a part-time basis, have reversed course in recent weeks as infections have spiked in many states. Those that do still reopen are having to prepare for the near-certain likelihood of quarantines and abrupt shutdowns when students and staff members test positive. Times link
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The argument for reopening schools anyway, usually runs, 'Only the elderly and people who have a preexisting condition are at risk, why penalize the rest of us?' Only the elderly and people with preexisting conditions are at risk? Risk of what, dying? In other words, no matter how sick you get, so long as you don't die you got nothing to complain about? That doesn't work for most people, especially the ones who are parents.

The other part is, 'Keeping kids away from the classroom is damaging.' True but how long do we expect this pandemic to last? This is a once-in-a-hundred-years event. Vaccines are on the horizon. This is a greater good issue, isn't it? Oddly, this sentiment -- keeping kids away from the classroom is damaging -- is seldom heard in the context of 'home schooling.' If it were maybe I'd find it a bit more credible.
 

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Craig4 said:
I heard a sponsorship ad on NPR this morning from the Museum of the Bible here in DC. They're offering free admission to all health care workers. Perhaps the stupid mother ******* could support health care workers better by keeping their damn doors shut and not inviting people somewhere that spread of the virus is likely. I suspect most health care workers would prefer that.
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I dunno. I would think museums would be better able to enforce mask requirements and distancing than, say, Home Depot or Safeway. I'd like to see the museums start to reopen just to give people who are locked up at home a place to go.
 
Craig4 said:
I heard a sponsorship ad on NPR this morning from the Museum of the Bible here in DC. They're offering free admission to all health care workers. Perhaps the stupid mother ******* could support health care workers better by keeping their damn doors shut and not inviting people somewhere that spread of the virus is likely. I suspect most health care workers would prefer that.
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There's a museum of the Bible? What could the exhibits be?
 
Bob001 said:
I dunno. I would think museums would be better able to enforce mask requirements and distancing than, say, Home Depot or Safeway. I'd like to see the museums start to reopen just to give people who are locked up at home a place to go.
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The Safeway and Home Depot seem to be doing just fine enforcing masks but we have a mandate here in Maryland. The Museum of the Bible people don't really give me a strict enforcement kind of vibe.
 
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