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Ed Do you like your cheese?

EHocking said:
[anecdote]When I was younger, more stupid and untravelled youth in Australia, I and my pre/early teen friends would whisper vulgar jokes about the name Coon cheese with the full knowledge, at 10 years old or so, that it was a racist epithet used by salt of the earth Aussies when talking about indigenous people.[/anecdote]



To pretend that no one in Australia was aware of the other use of the word was to have lived in a bubble.
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I haven't said it wasn't. Or that people don't understand this.

But it is also a 100 year old brand name from someone's surname.
 
cullennz said:
I haven't said it wasn't. Or that people don't understand this.
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How about addressing what I was replying to.
I’ll quote you again and highlight the salient points.

cullennz said:
This doesn't change the fact I think it is stupid to change it in Aus because some Americans and apparently poms get offended aussies have been buying it for 100 odd years
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My post addressed the common knowledge by Australians that the word was/is used as a racist epithet. Arguing that it is being changed due to delicate Poms or Yanks is just absurd.
But it is also a 100 year old brand name from someone's surname.
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”Tradition” is always a great excuse to continue to insult.
 
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EHocking said:
How about addressing what I was replying to.
I’ll quote you again and highlight the salient points.


”Tradition” is always a great excuse to continue to insult.
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So change it.

It is stupid. But doesn't affect me in the least
 
cullennz said:
It was a question and you haven't answered it.

Look at it from another way.

You personally happened to have been born with the surname "Coon".

Would you personally legally change it?
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Not directed at me, but that's a matter for the individual.

We all have different feelings and circumstances, even within families.
 
Likewise, this is ultimately not a precedent.

It's an individual matter - the brand's.

The conclusion to their announcement from their website:

https://www.saputodairyaustralia.com.au/en/our-company/newsroom/coon-cheese-statement

"After thorough consideration, Saputo has decided to retire the COON® brand name. We are working to develop a new brand name that will honour the brand-affinity felt by our valued consumers while aligning with current attitudes and perspectives.

"We believe we all share in the responsibility to eliminate racism in all its forms and we feel this is an important step we must take to uphold this commitment."
 
The Greater Fool said:
I just posed your question to her. She thought a few seconds before saying that no, it's still a problem.
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Not that I want to encourage barracking your wife but would you be willing to ask her exactly why she wouldn't buy it?

What is the specific reason?

I'm genuinely interested as the only reason I can think of (in my limited capacity as a white person) is that she thinks it supports a racist agenda on the part of the manufacturer.
 
bluesjnr said:
Not that I want to encourage barracking your wife but would you be willing to ask her exactly why she wouldn't buy it?

What is the specific reason?

I'm genuinely interested as the only reason I can think of (in my limited capacity as a white person) is that she thinks it supports a racist agenda on the part of the manufacturer.
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Is this guy's wife the only black person you have any tangential connection with? If not, can't you ask the ones you know?
 
PursuedByABear said:
I didn't say you were right-wing, I said it was a right wing tactic. It is.



I didn't in any way try and "tell you how to post". Quote the part you think did.



I know nothing about Australia.
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There is a mistake I have seen posters on here make.

You openly admit you know nothing about Australia.

Just as a heads up.

Left and right politics in Aus and NZ is poles apart from what you know them as in the NH.

With the possible exception of that nutty racist chick Pauline Hanson.

Most parties are basically right or left of center and fight for the swing voter.
 
A trip to Woolworths or making a cheese toastie will never be the same. Twenty-twenty has been brutal.
 
cullennz said:
There is a mistake I have seen posters on here make.

You openly admit you know nothing about Australia.

Just as a heads up.

Left and right politics in Aus and NZ is poles apart from what you know them as in the NH.

With the possible exception of that nutty racist chick Pauline Hanson.

Most parties are basically right or left of center and fight for the swing voter.
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Which is entirely irrelevant to the matter in hand.
 
PursuedByABear said:
Is this guy's wife the only black person you have any tangential connection with? If not, can't you ask the ones you know?
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I'll decide who I interact with and how I do so thank you. Quite the bossy boots around here ain'tcha? Lionking and then me..... who next boss?

Here's a thing you can have fun by coming to unsupported conclusions. I do not have any black friends. I have an associate (based in Manchester) at work with whom I do not have the depth of relationship to ask such a question. Other than Fahrid I do not know any other "black" persons.
 
lionking said:
Really? Okay I thought it was fairly obvious, but I am bemused that so many people think this name change is a serious issue when compared to indigenous disadvantage.

Do you think there is celebration in disadvantaged indigenous communities?
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It sure has generated plenty of reactionary salt.
 
angrysoba said:
Then will you at least concede that this general point is irrelevant for the discussion on Coon Cheese, given that the campaign is an indigenous one?
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Sure.

You are making the claim that these things are only white guiltists making racist assumptions about what black people or indigenous people should be offended by as though they are not even consulted
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No, I am not. I'm saying that it happens in some instances, and that at the very least we should be sure that it offends those that are said to be offended before taking action.

(ETA: In other words I don't care that the n-word offends white people. I do care that it offends a large swath of black people, though.)
 
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