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Mary Trump's Book

Stacyhs said:
"Lunatic" is not a psychological diagnosis while "sociopath" is. Lunatic refers to someone who is "insane". Sociopaths are not "insane". Trump is a sociopath but he is not insane.
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And that, of course, is a matter of opinion.

insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior. ... It's informed by mental health professionals, but the term today is primarily legal, not psychological.
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Gord_in_Toronto said:
And that, of course, is a matter of opinion.

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insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior. ... It's informed by mental health professionals, but the term today is primarily legal, not psychological.
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When used in the common, layman usage meaning he's 'nuts', yes. I think he's 'nuts', too. But he's not insane. He is responsible for his actions. An insane person is not.

I think you'd be hard put to find a mental health professional who would claim Trump is 'insane'. A sociopath? No problem.
 
Stacyhs said:
When used in the common, layman usage meaning he's 'nuts', yes. I think he's 'nuts', too. But he's not insane. He is responsible for his actions. An insane person is not.

I think you'd be hard put to find a mental health professional who would claim Trump is 'insane'. A sociopath? No problem.
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Oh I don't know. "cannot distinguish fantasy from reality" and "or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior" both seem to apply.

:bunpan
 
"He was strong, but he was good," Trump told Fox News. "For [Mary] to say the kind of things, a psychopath, that he was a psychopath, anybody that knew Fred Trump would call him a psychopath? And you know what, if he was I would tell you."
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(People Magazine)

Sure. Lots of people, including mental health experts, say Trump is a psycho/sociopath. If Trump admitted his father was a psycho/sociopath, he'd have to admit he is one, too.
 
A reminder, this thread is about Mary Trump's book. There are plenty of other threads to discuss Trump in general, or stimulus cheques or other issues.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: zooterkin
 
I just finished it. I can't exactly say I enjoyed it, but it was fascinating. The family called Fred Sr.'s house "The House." It sounded like a House of Horror. Easy to read and well written.
 
carrps said:
I just finished it. I can't exactly say I enjoyed it, but it was fascinating. The family called Fred Sr.'s house "The House." It sounded like a House of Horror. Easy to read and well written.
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I've seen her on 3 or 4 interviews. SHe is well spoken, direct, and answers the question asked.
 
slyjoe said:
I thought her father was a nice enough guy.
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He seemed like a likeable but rather weak man who was not strong enough to survive such a dysfunctional family with a sociopath for a father.

My comment about taking after her mother's side of the family was mocking Donald's lack of being "well spoken, direct" and "answering the question asked."
 
Stacyhs said:
He seemed like a likeable but rather weak man who was not strong enough to survive such a dysfunctional family with a sociopath for a father.

My comment about taking after her mother's side of the family was mocking Donald's lack of being "well spoken, direct" and "answering the question asked."
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Ah OK.
 
carrps said:
I just finished it. I can't exactly say I enjoyed it, but it was fascinating. The family called Fred Sr.'s house "The House." It sounded like a House of Horror. Easy to read and well written.
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I did too. Nothing really surprised me but there's a certain satisfaction in knowing what went so horribly wrong in that family.
 
Craig4 said:
I did too. Nothing really surprised me but there's a certain satisfaction in knowing what went so horribly wrong in that family.
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Yeah, I knew most of the bigger points, since I'd seen two or three interviews before I started reading the book. But I found a lot of the little details fascinating. Interesting tidbits like Rob unwrapping a foil package of cream cheese and eating it like a candy bar. :jaw-dropp
 
I listened to two-thirds of Mary Trump's book on Audible.

To me, there were only a few interesting bits.

When Trump was 7, his brother tipped a bowl of potato on his head at a family party dinner.

Mary virtually threw the DSM-5 psychological manual at him and diagnosed him with about a dozen personality/psychological disorders.

Trump's father favoured Trump's brother until the brother started flying planes, got married, and started drinking too much.

Mary said that Trump's father began to give Trump attention when Trump started going round to the rental properties and investigating renters' complaints but not doing anything about them.


The book was read in a rather vehement tone. I think that may have been how it was intended, which I also think detracted from the seriousness it might have aimed at.
 
I posted this in the Trump Presidency thread but thought it might fit here, too.

In secretly recorded tapes by Mary Trump and heard by Michael Kranish of The Atlantic, Trump's older sister, Mary Anne, says that Donald has "no principles" and "you can't trust him".

Apparently there are 15 hours of recorded tapes. These tapes also apparently reveal that Mary Anne is the source of the allegation that a boy named Joe Shapiro took the SAT's for Donald to get into college. She also says, "And what they're doing with kids at the border." She guessed that "He hasn't read my immigration opinions on court cases," and "His God damned tweets and lying. Oh, my God, I'm talking too freely but, you know, the change of stories, the lack of preparation, the lying. Holy ****!"
(Interview of Kranish of CNN)
 
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