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Jogging in Georgia while black.

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SuburbanTurkey said:
I am wondering how things are going to go for the DA's and cops involved with the initial investigation once the full evidence becomes public record. Especially if the murderers don't plead out and take it to trial.

The delicate legal fiction the DA tried to spin of a citizen's arrest that lead to a self-defense shooting is going to collapse spectacularly, even more so than it has already. Best case scenario is that they were so incompetent they didn't even do the bare minimum of police work to challenge the word of someone who committed a broad daylight murder. Many are going to smell a cover-up.
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Many already have been. As soon as the video surfaced. Only now there is more and more evidence surfacing to convince even the most skeptical.

The bigots, of course, will never be convinced.
 
quadraginta said:
Many already have been. As soon as the video surfaced. Only now there is more and more evidence surfacing to convince even the most skeptical.

The bigots, of course, will never be convinced.
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Sure, it stunk like hell since the beginning.

I think once the full evidence comes out, the incompetence argument is going to become absurdly implausible. Cover-up may become the broad public understanding of what happened, rather than just an allegation.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Sure, it stunk like hell since the beginning.

I think once the full evidence comes out, the incompetence argument is going to become absurdly implausible. Cover-up may become the broad public understanding of what happened, rather than just an allegation.
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Right from the getgo*, there has been little or no doubt in my mind that the whole thing was a cover-up, perpetrated to protect "one of their own". Every single new revelation about this case has removed remaining doubt and strengthened my opinion.

Heads should roll for this.


ETA: just to clarify, by "getgo" I mean the release of the video
 
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quadraginta said:
It very likely actually is mediaeval. Or at least as close to it as British style common law gets. Much of legal phrasing, even in the U.S., is derived from that.
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The term is centuries old at least, "abandoned heart" was in use in the eighteenth century in the sense of "given up unrestrainedly to evil influences; utterly bad, immoral profligate".

IIRR, from, California's "abandoned and malignant heart murder" statute it covers cases when a death occurs from actions taken by the defendant(s) which were not intended to kill but were recklessly stupid and could, by the usual "reasonable person", be foreseen to likely cause death. The textbook example being a person shooting pigeons intermingled in a park with pigeon feeding humans.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/us/ga-ahmaud-arbery-death-mcmichael-bryan-plead-not-guilty/index.html
All three men facing charges related to the February 23 shooting death of Black jogger Ahmaud Arbery pleaded not guilty Friday.

Judge Timothy Walmsley also denied bond for one of the men, William Bryan Jr.
Bryan, Gregory McMichael and Travis McMichael appeared in the Glynn County, Georgia, court via video conference.
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Keeping this high profile may prevent more corrupt behavior on the part of the prosecutors.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I really don't understand how the McMichaels can possibly plead not guilty.
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I'm curious what they might get for it. If the best they can get in exchange for pleading guilty is a multi-decade or life sentence, they may as well roll the dice with a jury.

Given how corrupt the first DA was and the amount of public scrutiny, I doubt the prosecutor wants to be seen giving these guys too much of a plea bargain break.

Maybe the prosecutor will pursue this as a death penalty case, then there would be some more leverage to plea to a life sentence.
 
pgwenthold said:
With black people, you have to say "I feel threatened."
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It's more to do with what you shouldn't say, like yelling racial slurs after you gun a black guy down in "self defense".

Racist murder is supposed to be like jazz, it's about the racial slurs you don't say.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I'm curious what they might get for it. If the best they can get in exchange for pleading guilty is a multi-decade or life sentence, they may as well roll the dice with a jury.

Given how corrupt the first DA was and the amount of public scrutiny, I doubt the prosecutor wants to be seen giving these guys too much of a plea bargain break.

Maybe the prosecutor will pursue this as a death penalty case, then there would be some more leverage to plea to a life sentence.
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Tactically, that makes sense. I was more on the "how can they possibly make that plea with a straight face" page of this book.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Tactically, that makes sense. I was more on the "how can they possibly make that plea with a straight face" page of this book.
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I doubt that was a problem for them. I expect that they sincerely believe that they were only acting in (perfectly righteous) self defense.

None of the things leading up to the point where a trigger was pulled are at all relevant, of course.

All these charges are just because of eevul leebruls intent on destroying their lives for no reason except the persecution of innocent white people.
 
quadraginta said:
I doubt that was a problem for them. I expect that they sincerely believe that they were only acting in (perfectly righteous) self defense.



None of the things leading up to the point where a trigger was pulled are at all relevant, of course.



All these charges are just because of eevul leebruls intent on destroying their lives for no reason except the persecution of innocent white people.
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You know what rhymes with "trigger"?
That's how they can plead not guilty with a straight face. And if they were guilty wouldn't the cops have arrested them right away?
 
Trebuchet said:
That's my recollection as well. Higher ups including the prosecutor, for whom one of the killers had worked.
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quadraginta said:
It seems like I recall having read somewhere that the cops at the scene wanted to arrest them, but the were stymied by higher-ups.
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Indeed, you are both correct...

"Two Glynn County commissioners say District Attorney Jackie Johnson’s office refused to allow the Glynn County Police Department to make arrests immediately after the Feb. 23 shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery."

“The police at the scene went to her, saying they were ready to arrest both of them. These were the police at the scene who had done the investigation,” Commissioner Allen Booker, who has spoken with Glynn County police, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “She shut them down to protect her friend McMichael.”

https://www.ajc.com/news/local/watc...hmaud-arbery-shooting/1aJbZe2uL9HrndjyWYjB2L/
 
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