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Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

Meanwhile...in the real world:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/federal-judges-son-shot-killed-husband-injured-attack/story?id=71871708

In a statement, the FBI Newark office said, "The FBI is investigating a shooting that occurred at the home of Judge Esther Salas in North Brunswick Township, New Jersey earlier this evening, July 19. We are looking for one subject and ask that anyone who thinks they may have relevant information please call FBI Newark at 973-792-3001. We are working closely with our state and local partners and will provide additional updates when available."
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Relevance?

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...k-Aktiengesellschaft-To-Contact-The-Firm.html

The lawsuit has been filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey on behalf of all those who purchased Deutsche Bank securities between November 7, 2017 and July 6, 2020 (the “Class Period”). The case, Karimi v. Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft et al., No. 20-cv-08978 was filed on July 15, 2020, and has been assigned to Judge Esther Salas.
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The lawsuit focuses on whether the Company and its executives violated federal securities laws by making false and/or misleading statements and/or failing to disclose that: (1) Deutsche Bank had failed to remediate deficiencies related to AML, its disclosure controls and procedures and internal control over financial reporting, and its U.S. operations’ troubled condition; (2) as a result, the Bank failed to properly monitor customers that the Bank itself deemed to be high risk, including, among others, the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein (“Epstein”) and two correspondent banks, Danske Estonia and FBME Bank, which were both the subjects of prior scandals involving financial misconduct; (3) the foregoing, once revealed, was foreseeably likely to have a material negative impact on the Bank’s financial results and reputation; and (4) as a result, the Bank’s public statements were materially false and misleading at all relevant times.
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The gunman was dressed as a FedEx guy.

No hint of satanism though. Just a very dangerous bank to cross.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
none of them?

Not even FoxNews?

Because Trump calls them all Fake - unless they something nice about him, then they are "honest and truthful".

If you actually distrust them, you shouldn't believe anything positive they have to say about Trump and Republicans.
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Bubba has helpfully provided information showing that many, if not all, of the media sources he uses are mouthpieces for the deep state and not to be trusted. He has also explicitly referred to some of his own sources as liars.
That this has not dissuaded him from continuing to use them remains a puzzle to me.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Bubba has helpfully provided information showing that many, if not all, of the media sources he uses are mouthpieces for the deep state and not to be trusted. He has also explicitly referred to some of his own sources as liars.
That this has not dissuaded him from continuing to use them remains a puzzle to me.
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Maybe because he can't find any ones that are not?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Another thing murdered here is the meaning of the word relevance.
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...And the shooter's already dead:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...tent&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

(Reuters) - The suspect in the shooting of the 20-year-old son and the husband of a federal judge in New Jersey was found dead on Monday in an apparent suicide near Liberty, New York, ABC News reported.

The suspect was an attorney who had a case before the judge, Esther Salas, ABC News said.
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Just a weird coincidence...;)
 
BobTheCoward said:
It appears about 5% of murders are followed by suicide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder–suicide
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Not the point.

CTists will run with this kind of thing to reinforce their world view.

The media is calling the shooter an "Anti-Feminist Lawyer". What I'm doing here is giving those interested in this kind of thing real-time data. CTists are already working to link the shooter to their choice of evil cabal. Watching how CTs develope is important if the goal is to shut this kind of thing down.
 
Well, I think if I'd made as big a mess of the job as this guy did, I'd kill myself too, and if his clients have any sense they should be relieved they don't have such a bonehead as their lawyer any more.
 
Jeffrey Epstein was a predator, monster, con man, psychopath, piece of **** who charmed and manipulated many for decades before he was caught, got off once publicly (and certainly, many more times privately) with barely a slap on the wrist, and continued his crimes in plain sight, until the genuinely brave work of some of his victims + some journalists brought it all out into the open last year. Facing, for the first time in his life, the same (horrid) treatment that many who go through the American criminal justice system face, Epstein changed his will to screw his victims out of real financial compensation...

...and then offed himself, because "**** you, I win even in death" (a plausible response from a powerful psychopath used to impunity for heinous crimes).

OR

...he was murdered by Them because he was totally going to tell the truth in a criminal trial about a much greater and more sinister conspiracy, because that's just the kind of guy Jeffrey Epstein was, as we've established. He was clearly going to rat out all of the people who had made him powerful in the first place - as opposed to committing perjury or angrily claiming that HE was the real victim a la Brett Kavanaugh, or otherwise sabotaging his trial proceedings e.g. Roger Stone or Paul Manafort.

No doubt Ghislaine Maxwell has similar deeply felt delusions of impunity and grandeur (like father, like daughter!). Also true of Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew, Dershowitz, etc. The bottom line, though, is why would anyone in their right mind think that Epstein would have cooperated in criminal proceedings in any meaningful way? That's not the way people like him act!
 
Allen773 said:
Jeffrey Epstein was a predator, monster, con man, psychopath, piece of **** who charmed and manipulated many for decades before he was caught, got off once publicly (and certainly, many more times privately) with barely a slap on the wrist, and continued his crimes in plain sight, until the genuinely brave work of some of his victims + some journalists brought it all out into the open last year. Facing, for the first time in his life, the same (horrid) treatment that many who go through the American criminal justice system face, Epstein changed his will to screw his victims out of real financial compensation...

...and then offed himself, because "**** you, I win even in death" (a plausible response from a powerful psychopath used to impunity for heinous crimes).

OR

...he was murdered by Them because he was totally going to tell the truth in a criminal trial about a much greater and more sinister conspiracy, because that's just the kind of guy Jeffrey Epstein was, as we've established. He was clearly going to rat out all of the people who had made him powerful in the first place - as opposed to committing perjury or angrily claiming that HE was the real victim a la Brett Kavanaugh, or otherwise sabotaging his trial proceedings e.g. Roger Stone or Paul Manafort.

No doubt Ghislaine Maxwell has similar deeply felt delusions of impunity and grandeur (like father, like daughter!). Also true of Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew, Dershowitz, etc. The bottom line, though, is why would anyone in their right mind think that Epstein would have cooperated in criminal proceedings in any meaningful way? That's not the way people like him act!
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Hard to say what Epstein would have done as the trial loomed. He was a coward, obviously spending the rest of his life in Federal Prison disturbed him, and even if no deal was offered in the first trial the FBI would have access to him for parallel investigations into Deutsche Bank, and who knows how cooperative he would have been after a year in the can?

Epstein killed himself because he was allowed to kill himself. Why the conditions which allowed him to be successful existed are still open to question. I doubt anyone will be satisfied with the answers.
 
Allen773 said:
Jeffrey Epstein was a predator, monster, con man, psychopath, piece of **** who charmed and manipulated many for decades before he was caught, got off once publicly (and certainly, many more times privately) with barely a slap on the wrist, and continued his crimes in plain sight, until the genuinely brave work of some of his victims + some journalists brought it all out into the open last year. Facing, for the first time in his life, the same (horrid) treatment that many who go through the American criminal justice system face, Epstein changed his will to screw his victims out of real financial compensation...

...and then offed himself, because "**** you, I win even in death" (a plausible response from a powerful psychopath used to impunity for heinous crimes).

OR

...he was murdered by Them because he was totally going to tell the truth in a criminal trial about a much greater and more sinister conspiracy, because that's just the kind of guy Jeffrey Epstein was, as we've established. He was clearly going to rat out all of the people who had made him powerful in the first place - as opposed to committing perjury or angrily claiming that HE was the real victim a la Brett Kavanaugh, or otherwise sabotaging his trial proceedings e.g. Roger Stone or Paul Manafort.

No doubt Ghislaine Maxwell has similar deeply felt delusions of impunity and grandeur (like father, like daughter!). Also true of Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew, Dershowitz, etc. The bottom line, though, is why would anyone in their right mind think that Epstein would have cooperated in criminal proceedings in any meaningful way? That's not the way people like him act!
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Having read Bradley Edwards' book recently Relentless Pursuit it certainly seems that scenario one is the closest one. Even in the most mundane things Epstein was a con man. I can't recall the examples in which he glibly conned Edwards (an ex-prosecuter now independent attorney representing some of the 'victims') in his face to face dealings with him but his actions describe perfectly the classic psychopath: con merchant, confidence trickster, a grifter, zero remorse or conscience. However, being a psychopath is not actually illegal. Epstein saw himself as a nice guy and claimed he was never violent towards his 'victims' - in fact many idolised him, as he showed a personal interest in them and put them through college or whatnot. Sure, he sexually harassed, abused and even raped them but then so did so many other elderly guys old enough to be the 'victim's' uncles. It was Maxwell who brought the teenage girls to him. Maybe that was her way of trying to please him. Word has it she wanted to marry him, but of course, she was far too old for him. After his first short stretch in Florida for underage women trafficking, he tried to stick with those who were over 17 or 18 but I am not sure he managed it.

The bigger picture for me is where did he get such vast amounts of wealth from? By all accounts, he was a mediocre maths tutor, financial trader, investor, barred from practising half the time because of his lack of formal qualifications or licensing. So yeas, there is also the issue of his moving amongst powerful movers and shakers. The sexual shenanigans could jsut be the side show to detract from the real story.
 
So Epstein ran a satanic cult and the evidence of this is a "temple, sundial with altar stone, statue of Poseiden (?) figure, gargoyles, underground chambers," on his property. Uh huh. That certainly explains a lot as to what constitutes 'evidence' for Vixen. There is no emoji that expresses my reaction to this thread accurately enough.
 
Vixen said:
The bigger picture for me is where did he get such vast amounts of wealth from? By all accounts, he was a mediocre maths tutor, financial trader, investor, barred from practising half the time because of his lack of formal qualifications or licensing.
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Have you tried looking for this information? There's this thing called "Google". You could try that.
 
Stacyhs said:
So Epstein ran a satanic cult and the evidence of this is a "temple, sundial with altar stone, statue of Poseiden (?) figure, gargoyles, underground chambers," on his property. Uh huh. That certainly explains a lot as to what constitutes 'evidence' for Vixen. There is no emoji that expresses my reaction to this thread accurately enough.
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Did you not notice the question mark in the topic title? Epstein wasn't just some randomly rich guy, you know.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Have you tried looking for this information? There's this thing called "Google". You could try that.
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Haha, Google won't tell you. His funding is top secret. Attorney for some of Epstein's victims, Bradley Edwards, author of Relentless Pursuit, says he doesn't think there were any spy shenanigans but does cite an incident when Epstein walked straight into the securest bank and walked straight up to the Chairman. In front of witnesses he yelled, 'Why haven't you sent the US$30m (iirc) to the Israeli government yet? Do it now!' and then turned and walked out.

But perhaps you should wait until Fox news explains things to you or Murdoch newspapers. These things have been known about for many years bu tit is only now that MSM has put it into the mainstream that people have begun to take any notice.
 
Vixen said:
Haha, Google won't tell you. His funding is top secret. Attorney for some of Epstein's victims, Bradley Edwards, author of Relentless Pursuit, says he doesn't think there were any spy shenanigans but does cite an incident when Epstein walked straight into the securest bank and walked straight up to the Chairman. In front of witnesses he yelled, 'Why haven't you sent the US$30m (iirc) to the Israeli government yet? Do it now!' and then turned and walked out.

But perhaps you should wait until Fox news explains things to you or Murdoch newspapers. These things have been known about for many years bu tit is only now that MSM has put it into the mainstream that people have begun to take any notice.
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While that's a moderately tantalyzing bit of information, it seems reasonable to note Epstein was a consummate bluffer and bull-slinger with, obviously, a talent for this sort of thing. If I were trying to convince strangers that I was someone special with recondite connections, that would seem like a pretty good ploy, especially if I walk out before anyone has time to react.

What's worth finding out is not what Epstein did, but what, if anything, the bank president did. It makes a big difference whether he said "oh, my, I guess I'd better send a check," or "what the **** was that all about?" I mean, unless you can find some connection to an actual payment to Israel, what is there to see except a jerk being a jerk?
 
Vixen said:
Haha, Google won't tell you.
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Actually, it will. I looked up the source of his wealth before I posted.
Try it. You may just learn something.

Vixen said:
His funding is top secret.
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Funding? You've shifted from your original point, then, which was about the source of his wealth.
Who do you claim was "funding" Epstein, and for what purpose?
Facts as reported, of course- no baseless speculation, please. I know how averse you are to that.

Vixen said:
Attorney for some of Epstein's victims, Bradley Edwards, author of Relentless Pursuit, says he doesn't think there were any spy shenanigans but does cite an incident when Epstein walked straight into the securest bank and walked straight up to the Chairman. In front of witnesses he yelled, 'Why haven't you sent the US$30m (iirc) to the Israeli government yet? Do it now!' and then turned and walked out.
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Third-hand anecdotes. Excellent. :rolleyes:
A few questions:
What is the "securest bank"? Does it have a name?
If it is that secure, how come it was possible to walk straight in to the Chairman's office? Why was the Chairman even there? They aren't generally based in a local branch, you know.
How many people were crammed into this office? Epstein, the Chairman, the witnesses....Top-notch security, that.
The anti-semitic undertones of 'sending money to the Israeli government' aside (Why is is significant that it was that particular government?), I have to ask how this is related to where Epstein got his funding? This anecdote, even if true (no details, of course), is about him giving money, not getting it. What is the significance of this story?

Vixen said:
But perhaps you should wait until Fox news explains things to you or Murdoch newspapers. These things have been known about for many years bu tit is only now that MSM has put it into the mainstream that people have begun to take any notice.
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If "these things", whatever "these things" are, have been known about for so long, then perhaps you could link to one of the sources.
Silly strawman about Fox News, by the way. Talk to Bubba: he loves them.
 
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