Cont: The all-new "US Politics and coronavirus" thread pt. 2

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The White House Press Secretary on Trump's push to reopen schools
"The science should not stand in the way of this."
 
Captain_Swoop said:
The White House Press Secretary on Trump's push to reopen schools
"The science should not stand in the way of this."
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I think I know what she meant to say, but what she actually said would look good in a Democratic video on youtube.
 
Resume said:
You do?
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I strongly suspect that she meant, "There is nothing in the scientific studies which should stand in the way of reopening schools." i.e. the science says it's safe enough to open schools.

What came out was more like, "We don't care what the science says. We want to open up regardless."

The second version, while it probably isn't what she meant to say, is probably a more accurate statement of White House policy.
 
Giordano said:
Georgia governor Kemp just banned cities and counties from requiring masks. What on earth is it with Republicans??
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Hard to believe. As CBS News reports, Governor Brian Kemp is forcing local governments in Georgia to rescind any requirement that residents wear face masks. This effects at least fifteen local governments including the City of Atlanta.
The Republican governor has instead been trying to encourage voluntary mask wearing, including telling fans that reduced infections from mask-wearing would make college football season possible...Kemp said Wednesday that the federal government has sent 32,600 vials of the antiviral drug remdesivir, which has been shown to aid people with infections. Kemp said that was enough to treat up to 5,400 patients. The governor said that from now on, hospitals will generally be able to buy the drug directly, although smaller federal shipments to Georgia will continue.

Wednesday's numbers showed nearly 2,800 people hospitalized statewide with the COVID-19 respiratory illness, the highest on record and a number that's nearly doubled since the beginning of the month. The state reports 84% of hospitals' available critical beds are in use, although some hospitals say they have opened up more space and have more room...The rising COVID-19 case numbers prompted Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms to order the city to reverse its reopening plan and return to Phase 1 last week. "Georgia reopened in a reckless manner and the people of our city and state are suffering the consequences," Bottoms said. CBS News link
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These Republican supporters go back and forth with this. If a governor does something they don't like they cry local rule. If a city, town or county enacts something they don't like they appeal to the governor. Or donald trump. But with almost all of them, they won't discuss the medical science involved. They refuse to acknowledge the polling that shows the majority of Americans think wearing a face mask is a good idea. That's a conversation they're not having. It becomes impossible to work with people like this.

Meantime, the virus in Georgia keeps growing:
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Meadmaker said:
I strongly suspect that she meant, "There is nothing in the scientific studies which should stand in the way of reopening schools." i.e. the science says it's safe enough to open schools.

What came out was more like, "We don't care what the science says. We want to open up regardless."

The second version, while it probably isn't what she meant to say, is probably a more accurate statement of White House policy.
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What has this administration done to warrant any benefit of the doubt?
 
newyorkguy said:
Hard to believe. As CBS News reports, Governor Brian Kemp is forcing local governments in Georgia to rescind any requirement that residents wear face masks. This effects at least fifteen local governments including the City of Atlanta.


These Republican supporters go back and forth with this. If a governor does something they don't like they cry local rule. If a city, town or county enacts something they don't like they appeal to the governor. Or donald trump. But with almost all of them, they won't discuss the medical science involved. They refuse to acknowledge the polling that shows the majority of Americans think wearing a face mask is a good idea. That's a conversation they're not having. It becomes impossible to work with people like this.

Meantime, the virus in Georgia keeps growing:
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FREEDUMB!!!
 
newyorkguy said:
Hard to believe. As CBS News reports, Governor Brian Kemp is forcing local governments in Georgia to rescind any requirement that residents wear face masks. This effects at least fifteen local governments including the City of Atlanta.


These Republican supporters go back and forth with this. If a governor does something they don't like they cry local rule. If a city, town or county enacts something they don't like they appeal to the governor. Or donald trump. But with almost all of them, they won't discuss the medical science involved. They refuse to acknowledge the polling that shows the majority of Americans think wearing a face mask is a good idea. That's a conversation they're not having. It becomes impossible to work with people like this.

Meantime, the virus in Georgia keeps growing:
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Does he get up in the morning and ask "How can I **** things up even more?"
 
Meadmaker said:
I strongly suspect that she meant, "There is nothing in the scientific studies which should stand in the way of reopening schools." i.e. the science says it's safe enough to open schools.

What came out was more like, "We don't care what the science says. We want to open up regardless."

The second version, while it probably isn't what she meant to say, is probably a more accurate statement of White House policy.
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So she's wrong either way?
 
Meadmaker said:
I strongly suspect that she meant, "There is nothing in the scientific studies which should stand in the way of reopening schools." i.e. the science says it's safe enough to open schools.

What came out was more like, "We don't care what the science says. We want to open up regardless."

The second version, while it probably isn't what she meant to say, is probably a more accurate statement of White House policy.
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The full quote, though, began with

"'The science is on our side here,' McEnany told reporters gathered in the James S. Brady Briefing Room Thursday afternoon."

So, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what she meant.

But the out of context quote is funnier. I have only a limited amount of outrage available for an out of context quote that hurts Donald Trump.
 
McEnany: "The president has said unmistakably that he wants schools to open. When he says open, he means open and full, kids being able to attend each and every day at their school. The science should not stand in the way of this." http://cbsnews.com/live
 
Captain_Swoop said:
McEnany: "The president has said unmistakably that he wants schools to open. When he says open, he means open and full, kids being able to attend each and every day at their school. The science should not stand in the way of this." http://cbsnews.com/live
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"The President told me this very morning that he thinks killing families is just a bit of fun, a lark. He says that he's accepted that he's not going to win reelection and this may be his last chance to really stick it to the American people."
 
newyorkguy said:
Hard to believe. As CBS News reports, Governor Brian Kemp is forcing local governments in Georgia to rescind any requirement that residents wear face masks. This effects at least fifteen local governments including the City of Atlanta.


These Republican supporters go back and forth with this. If a governor does something they don't like they cry local rule. If a city, town or county enacts something they don't like they appeal to the governor. Or donald trump. But with almost all of them, they won't discuss the medical science involved. They refuse to acknowledge the polling that shows the majority of Americans think wearing a face mask is a good idea. That's a conversation they're not having. It becomes impossible to work with people like this.

Meantime, the virus in Georgia keeps growing:
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The weird thing is that he's as pro-mask as a Republican governor there is. He flew around the state on a "mask up Georgia" tour, and reminded people to wear masks, even threatening that the college football could be cancelled if people fail to stop the spread.
 
Meadmaker said:
The full quote, though, began with

"'The science is on our side here,' McEnany told reporters gathered in the James S. Brady Briefing Room Thursday afternoon."

So, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what she meant.

But the out of context quote is funnier. I have only a limited amount of outrage available for an out of context quote that hurts Donald Trump.
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I don't see why people are deliberately cutting off her explanation in full. I mean, i understand why, I just don't see why people are aware but celebrating the misrepresentation..


The president has said unmistakably that he wants schools to open. And I was just in the Oval talking to him about that. And when he says open, he means open and full, kids being able to attend each and every day at their school. The science should not stand in the way of this. And as Dr. Scott Atlas said, I thought this was a good quote. Of course, we can do it. Everyone else in the Western world, our peer nations are doing it. We are the outlier here. The science is very clear on this that for instance, you look at the JAMA Pediatric study of 46 pediatric hospitals in North America that said the risk of critical illness from COVID is far less for children than that of seasonal flu.

The science is on our side here, and we encourage for localities and states to just simply follow the science, open our schools. It’s very damaging to our children. There’s a lack of reporting of abuse, there’s mental depressions that are not addressed, suicidal ideations that are not addressed when students are not in school. Our schools are extremely important. They’re essential and they must reopen. Yes.
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If you disagree with the science she is referencing, perfectly reasonable to debate it though.
 
rdwight said:
If you disagree with the science she is referencing, perfectly reasonable to debate it though.
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Other countries are doing it because they, for the most part, have their Covid-19 problem under control or can at least see the light at the end of the tunnel. The United States is drowning in new infections and it's only getting worse.

Also, focusing on how the virus on average affects children (setting aside the callous disregard demonstrated by purposely putting children in a position to be infected with a virus that absolutely can kill them, even if it does so very rarely) ignores the secondary infections that will surely result from school infections. Teachers and other school employees will get sick, parents and other family members will get sick.

  • Children, especially younger ones, will not properly socially distance themselves from their classmates if that's even possible.
  • Children, especially younger ones, will not maintain good mask discipline.
  • Asymptomatic (and some symptomatic, for that matter) children absolutely will infect other children.
  • Even if the problem stopped only with infecting children (it won't), some of those children will end up hospitalized from the infection, and a few of those children will die.

It's a bad situation, no doubt, and I'm not happy about the expense of dealing with current school-aged children ending up spending an extra 6 months to a year in public schools (ameliorated somewhat by distance learning at home), but the answer to this issue isn't "**** it, we're opening the schools no matter what."
 
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