Passing Peak Trump?

Distracted1 said:
Imagine that. Might even cause them to give a false answer.

What was that original claim that started this sidebar again....?
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No. My original post was regarding Trump supporters being EMBARRASSED by admitting they'd vote for Trump, not being SCARED to do so. Those are two totally different things.
 
Distracted1;13154994For some said:
who they plan to vote for is personal information.
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Oh, come on. That is not the kind of personal information we're talking about and I think you know that. Personal information is name, address, employer, etc.

And of course, one could be certain that the poll is anonymous. After all, they say it is.
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Again, this is pure paranoia. Political pollsters are not calling you so they can report your political preferences to your employers. This is just getting ridiculous.

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Distracted1 said:
Or give the answer that is less likely to draw the attention of the thought police.
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Ok... if you're not being tongue in cheek, it answers a lot.
 
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I think Distracted1 just feels need to explain away results of polls that he does not like.

His argument fells apart for simple reason - if someone does not want to participate in poll (for whatever reason), then best thing to do would be simply not answering instead of lying to pollster.
 
Mader Levap said:
I think Distracted1 just feels need to explain away results of polls that he does not like.

His argument fells apart for simple reason - if someone does not want to participate in poll (for whatever reason), then best thing to do would be simply not answering instead of lying to pollster.
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!.) your mind-reading skills are truly abysmal

2.) Rationality is not an automatic human response
 
Stacyhs said:
Oh, come on. That is not the kind of personal information we're talking about and I think you know that. Personal information is name, address, employer, etc.



Again, this is pure paranoia. Political pollsters are not calling you so they can report your political preferences to your employers. This is just getting ridiculous.

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Ok... if you're not being tongue in cheek, it answers a lot.
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When you recieve calls from the IRS do you give your information?

How about when the local utility calls to tell you that they are on the way to shut off your power unless you can provide immediate payment via Apple gift-cards?

The only evidence that one has that it is a pollster on the other end of the phone is because they say so.

It may be paranoia to expect that ones voting preference is being sought out for nefarious means- but is is far from impossible.
 
Some people may lie on a poll about who they will vote for, but the default assumption should be that they are telling the truth. That's how most interactions with people work on such mundane subjects such as who people are voting for.

You are simply trying to explain away polls for some reason. You are in CT territory.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Some people may lie on a poll about who they will vote for, but the default assumption should be that they are telling the truth. That's how most interactions with people work on such mundane subjects such as who people are voting for.

You are simply trying to explain away polls for some reason. You are in CT territory.
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Which is it?

Do "some people lie on polls about who they will vote for"?

Or is it "a CT" that "some people will lie on polls about who they will vote for?

It is unclear which is true from your post.
 
Distracted1 said:
Which is it?

Do "some people lie on polls about who they will vote for"?

Or is it "a CT" that "some people will lie on polls about who they will vote for?

It is unclear which is true from your post.
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Some people may. It's your burden of proof to show us that it's significant enough to make a difference in polling.
 
It made a difference in 2016. The polls were still within the margin of error but all biased in the same direction, which was enough to throw everyone off.

538 would adjust for that polling bias as part of its adjustment for pollster bias. That might be a good place to dig into whether they feel phone polls have a slant in general.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
It made a difference in 2016. The polls were still within the margin of error but all biased in the same direction, which was enough to throw everyone off.

538 would adjust for that polling bias as part of its adjustment for pollster bias. That might be a good place to dig into whether they feel phone polls have a slant in general.
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Lying to pollsters isn't what made the polls in certain states be slightly for Clinton instead of for Trump.
 
Distracted1 said:
When you recieve calls from the IRS do you give your information?
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No. Because the IRS never, ever calls you.

How about when the local utility calls to tell you that they are on the way to shut off your power unless you can provide immediate payment via Apple gift-cards?
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No. Because I'm not an idiot who falls for that kind of scam.

The only evidence that one has that it is a pollster on the other end of the phone is because they say so.
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Pollsters don't ask for personal information. They don't ask you for your name, address, employer, etc. I don't know how many times I have to say that.
It may be paranoia to expect that ones voting preference is being sought out for nefarious means- but is is far from impossible.
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It's not impossible that it's the Clintons calling to find out if you have a child to sell them for their pizza parlor sex ring either. But it is nuts.

You know, sometimes it's just better to stop digging the hole deeper and walk away. This is one of those times.
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Some people may lie on a poll about who they will vote for, but the default assumption should be that they are telling the truth. That's how most interactions with people work on such mundane subjects such as who people are voting for.

You are simply trying to explain away polls for some reason. You are in CT territory.
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Distracted1 said:
Which is it?

Do "some people lie on polls about who they will vote for"?

Or is it "a CT" that "some people will lie on polls about who they will vote for?

It is unclear which is true from your post.
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You're being intentionally obtuse.
 
Stacyhs said:
No. Because the IRS never, ever calls you.


No. Because I'm not an idiot who falls for that kind of scam.



Pollsters don't ask for personal information. They don't ask you for your name, address, employer, etc. I don't know how many times I have to say that.
It's not impossible that it's the Clintons calling to find out if you have a child to sell them for their pizza parlor sex ring either. But it is nuts.

You know, sometimes it's just better to stop digging the hole deeper and walk away. This is one of those times.
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No, they do not. But people claiming to be the IRS do. What would be so CT about a phishing attempt that claimed to be a political poll?

Okay fine. I will adopt your outlook that people never lie to other people on the phone if those people are claiming to be political pollsters. Why would they?, ones political inclinations are definitly not considered personal by anyone.
I see the light now.
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Distracted1 said:
What would be so CT about a phishing attempt that claimed to be a political poll?
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Because pollsters don't ask for personal information. That's why they're anonymous. If a pollster asks you to pay them via Steam gift cards before ansering the question and you do, you deserve to be scammed.
 
And if you are that concerned about a pollster being some sort of phishing scheme or scam just hang up the damn phone.
 
Distracted1 said:
And who one plans to vote for is definitely not personal information.
Got it.
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In the context of personal information that has any real value to a person trying to scam someone or some other nefarious purpose? No, not really.

Again, if you are concerned about the possibility of a person calling you is trying to gleam personal information from you for some reason, just hang up the phone.

Personally, I don't answer polls just because I don't like to. When I got calls from pollsters, I'd just say "I'm not interested in participating, good bye"
 
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Distracted1 said:
You tell them!.
Certainly, everyone is rational.
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I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make anymore.

Is your argument that there are enough people who think that pollsters who called them are trying to scam them AND will lie to to pollster to prevent the scam rather than just hang up AND such people are heavily weighted towards one candidate that it would make a significant error in polling?

That sounds pretty ridiculous to me.
 
bonzombiekitty said:
In the context of personal information that has any real value to a person trying to scam someone or some other nefarious purpose? No, not really.

Again, if you are concerned about the possibility of a person calling you is trying to gleam personal information from you for some reason, just hang up the phone.

Personally, I don't answer polls just because I don't like to. When I got calls from pollsters, I'd just say "I'm not interested in participating, good bye"
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Fine advice. Alternately, If one thinks the caller is looking for specific information, one might choose to give false information. If one fears that they are in an environment wherein certain political viewpoints are goodthink, and others badthink, they might choose to give the answer that indicates they are in the goodthink cohort.

Human behavior encompasses many different responses to the same stimuli. Why that would be controversial, I have no idea.
 
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