Cont: The all-new "US Politics and coronavirus" thread pt. 2

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newyorkguy said:
Anybody getting tired of winning yet? :(


The United States lumped in with Brazil and India. Ironically, trump has expressed admiration for the leaders of both nations, Bolsonaro and Modi. Bolsonaro is himself infected.
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You can add the UK to that list of countries with right wing populist leaders who have failed to take Coronavirus seriously and who have caused tens of thousands of needless deaths in the process. :mad:
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Meanwhile Melbourne presents and example of open schools. Sorry if this is a duplicate link. I see a reference to "Mooslims" upthread.

102 COVID cases, 2,300 close contacts: Principal of Melbourne school in lockdown breaks silenceNot sure how many of those are high school kids.
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If you need other international examples:
Denmark reopened schools after the lockdown had managed to hammer down the contagion, but at a local flare up recently, which started with two minkfarms and a nursing home, the infection immediately spread to three schools:
Både Bagterpskolen, Lundergårdskolen og Højene Skole i Hjørring har indenfor de seneste par uger haft tilfælde af corona. Alle tre skoler melder nu, at de ikke har haft yderligere smittetilfælde.
Ikke flere smittede på Hjørring-skoler: - Det går rigtig fint (TV2nord.dk, June 24, 2020)
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Translation:
The Bagterp School, the Lundergård School as well as the Højene School in Hjørring all had cases of corona in recent weeks. The three schools now report that they have had no new cases.
No more active cases at schools in Hjørring: - It's going really well

I haven't heard about anybody, teachers or students, from the three schools getting seriously ill. I assume that the cases were discovered because they ramped up testing when the local flare up started. In Sweden, where hardly anybody was tested for the first couple of months unless they were hospitalized, there weren't many reports about outbreaks at schools - unless people got ill and died.
 
‘STOP GETTING TESTED’: GOP lawmaker gives Ohio residents dangerous COVID-19 advice

An Ohio lawmaker is using conspiracy theories to justify giving potentially dangerous advice to his constituents. “Are you tired of living in a dictatorship yet,” GOP Rep. Nino Vitale asked Tuesday in a Facebook post. “This is what happens when people go crazy and get tested. STOP GETTING TESTED!”

Vitale went on to claim COVID-19 testing is “giving the government an excuse to claim something is happening that is not happening at the magnitude they say it is happening. Have you noticed they never talk about deaths anymore, just cases,” he said. “And they never talk about recoveries. They just keep adding to numbers they have been feeding us from over 3 months ago!”
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I admit to having experienced a bit of a violent urge in response to Vitale's message.
 
Aber said:
Given that 3 of the top 10 areas with highest infection rates are in Wales, where Health is a devolved matter...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/09/coronavirus-uk-map-the-latest-deaths-and-confirmed-covid-19-cases
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...and two of those were among the earliest areas to be hit before the UK government even tried to put into place any kind of testing, tracking or lockdown.

Then again, even though the infection rates were very high, the death rates were proportionally lower so perhaps the devolved Welsh NHS did a good job.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Meanwhile Melbourne presents and example of open schools. Sorry if this is a duplicate link. I see a reference to "Mooslims" upthread.

102 COVID cases, 2,300 close contacts: Principal of Melbourne school in lockdown breaks silenceNot sure how many of those are high school kids.
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Why Trump can't point to Denmark to justify reopening schools:

Denmark was one of the first European countries to reopen schools back in April, but it was also one of the first to lock down its society. Among the safety measures in place for students: Smaller class sizes, mandatory hand-washing, regular sanitizing, staying outdoors as much as possible and social distancing.
In sharp contrast to Denmark, the issue of reopening schools has become politicized in the US -- not unlike masks. "We really spent time putting together the science behind this and we believe it's the right call. But now because the President has made it into a political issue, it likely won't happen," one senior CDC official told CNN, referring to the enforcement of existing guidelines.
CNN/Sanjay Gupta Newsletter
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Belz... said:
He may be using upper values... but if indeed the actual number of cases is 10 times the reported one, presumably because of lack of symptoms or mild ones, and 85% of reported cases have mild symptoms, that's pretty close to 99%.
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His claim was that 99% of cases are harmless, but that's not the case. We're seeing lung and brain damage, even strokes in mild cases. He is irresponsibly downplaying the effects of the virus.

Newly described case reports add to growing evidence that COVID-19 infections can result in severe, long-lasting neurological complications—including inflammation, psychosis, delirium, nerve damage, and strokes—even among patients experiencing mild cases of the virus with few other symptoms. In some instances, the new study claims, these neurological effects were the first manifestation of the disease.
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Belz... said:
He may be using upper values... but if indeed the actual number of cases is 10 times the reported one, presumably because of lack of symptoms or mild ones, and 85% of reported cases have mild symptoms, that's pretty close to 99%.
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You know he's not doing that kind of arithmetic. He's claiming any outcome short of death is "totally harmless." Hospitalization, ventilators, long-term heart, lung and brain damage don't matter in his world.

And even "mild" cases are proving to have long-term consequences.
https://journaltimes.com/lifestyles...cle_88c322ef-28f2-51f2-aab2-074cdf75cb3c.html
 
Aridas said:
‘STOP GETTING TESTED’: GOP lawmaker gives Ohio residents dangerous COVID-19 advice

An Ohio lawmaker is using conspiracy theories to justify giving potentially dangerous advice to his constituents. “Are you tired of living in a dictatorship yet,” GOP Rep. Nino Vitale asked Tuesday in a Facebook post. “This is what happens when people go crazy and get tested. STOP GETTING TESTED!”

Vitale went on to claim COVID-19 testing is “giving the government an excuse to claim something is happening that is not happening at the magnitude they say it is happening. Have you noticed they never talk about deaths anymore, just cases,” he said. “And they never talk about recoveries. They just keep adding to numbers they have been feeding us from over 3 months ago!”
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I admit to having experienced a bit of a violent urge in response to Vitale's message.
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Talking about deaths, about 2000 in the last two days. Levels not seen since early June.
 
"Wearing a mask during a pandemic is an IQ test, and you are failing!"

'InRangeTV one of my' favourite shooting channel hits it on the head.

Karl departs from the usual content to explain why people should be wearing masks.

He starts it as though it is going to be a general 'personal protection' video dealing with first aid kits and 'concealed carry' and pivots it on to the idiots that have been attacking him in the comments of earlier videos where he has worn a mask.

PPE in the year 2020

 
Captain_Swoop said:
"Wearing a mask during a pandemic is an IQ test, and you are failing!"

'InRangeTV one of my' favourite shooting channel hits it on the head.

Karl departs from the usual content to explain why people should be wearing masks.

He starts it as though it is going to be a general 'personal protection' video dealing with first aid kits and 'concealed carry' and pivots it on to the idiots that have been attacking him in the comments of earlier videos where he has worn a mask.

PPE in the year 2020

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"If everyone wore these there's a good chance that the percentages (infection rate) would drop into very small numbers . . ."

If only Trump would utter these simple words.
 
Will this change the way people look at the pandemic? Or will it only affect the people who are denied care and their relatives who have to watch them die?

For the first time in its history, indeed for the first time in any state anywhere at any point in American medical history, the Arizona Department of Health Services activated its crisis standards for hospitals, giving them more flexibility (and less liability) to triage the overwhelming number of new COVID-19 patients and ration care, presumably by focusing on those who could use it most and declining to treat the grimmer cases.
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In Texas, an ICU doctor at San Antonio Methodist told CNN, in what became a heartbreakingly viral interview, that he had received calls for ten patients to be transferred to his unit, but only had space for three.
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In Florida, 54 hospitals in 25 counties report they are already at capacity, with no ICU beds available at all; in 30 other hospitals, intensive care units were already 90 percent full or more.
America Is Refusing to Learn How to Fight the Coronavirus (N.Y.Mag, July 9, 2020)
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Resume said:
His claim was that 99% of cases are harmless, but that's not the case. We're seeing lung and brain damage, even strokes in mild cases.
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Unless you can establish the proportion of patients who develop there troubles you cannot say that the more liberal numbers are wrong, though.

He is irresponsibly downplaying the effects of the virus.
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Well he's an idiot. What do you expect?
 
Is it just me who thought this?

That the Coronavirus for even a moderately competent administration and President would have easily locked up reelection in a landslide?

Crises provide opportunities to unite a country and at least appear as a leader.

But this is where Trump is deficient. He only knows how to be divisive.
 
acbytesla said:
Is it just me who thought this?

That the Coronavirus for even a moderately competent administration and President would have easily locked up reelection in a landslide?

Crises provide opportunities to unite a country and at least appear as a leader.

But this is where Trump is deficient. He only knows how to be divisive.
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Trump has never been a leader in his life. He's only ever been a boss, and a mediocre one at that.
There was a comic posted in one of the other threads.

Panel 1: Leader
A group of people pulling a cart. The leader is in the front, directing them as he helps them pull.

Panel 2: Boss
A group of people pulling a cart. The boss is sitting on the cart, giving orders.

Panel 3: Trump
A group of people pulling a cart. Trump is behind the cart, pulling in the opposite direction.
 
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