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Jeffrey Epstein arrested for child sex trafficking

angrysoba said:
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I’m not saying he can’t have been murdered but really the evidence hardly points the way of an obvious murder. It seems more likely, as has been mentioned, that Epstein knew he was going to face hard time and according to my research people kill themselves in jail before trial at a much higher rate than they do in prison, and much of it is because of fear of other inmates. Do you think a man like Epstein up on sentences of trafficking underage girls might fear the other inmates? I think some of the posters here (not mentioning any names) have often made jokes about how “Bubba” is going to enjoy having a new cellmate. That seems like pretty good prima facie reason for thinking someone might kill themselves.
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All well and good. He probably did off himself. But the fact is that two weeks before he died, he was severely injured in what was either a suicide attempt or, as he claimed, an attack. Either way, that would be good reason to keep him under intense supervision, despite whatever his lawyers wanted. And his lawyers apparently continue to believe he was murdered. It's not clear why they would support a groundless conspiracy theory.
 
Bob001 said:
All well and good. He probably did off himself. But the fact is that two weeks before he died, he was severely injured in what was either a suicide attempt or, as he claimed, an attack. Either way, that would be good reason to keep him under intense supervision, despite whatever his lawyers wanted. And his lawyers apparently continue to believe he was murdered. It's not clear why they would support a groundless conspiracy theory.
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Well, if they had insisted that he be taken off suicide watch and then he committed suicide, can you see no reason at all why they would want to argue it wasn't suicide?
 
Vixen said:
This is not about a sex crime
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Really?

BBC News said:
The indictment says Ms Maxwell "assisted, facilitated, and contributed to Jeffrey Epstein's abuse of minor girls by, among other things, helping Epstein to recruit, groom and ultimately abuse victims known to Maxwell and Epstein to be under the age of 18".

Specifically, she is charged with:

Conspiracy to entice minors to travel to engage in illegal sex acts
Enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts
Conspiracy to transport minors with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity
Transporting a minor with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity
She is accused of grooming multiple minor girls to engage in sex acts with Epstein. She allegedly attempted to befriend them by asking about their lives and families and then she and Epstein built the friendships by taking minor victims to the cinema or shopping.
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zooterkin said:
Really?
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Yes, zooterkin, really.

The Southern District of New York ran the investigation into Epstein through its Public Corruption Unit, as it had with its case against Epstein. The charges against Maxwell, involving three alleged but unnamed victims, overlap with the charges brought against the former financier, who killed himself while in custody days after being formally charged.

Both are signals, overt and covert, that neither case was ever truly about Epstein or Maxwell’s alleged sexual misconduct. The Southern District is primarily the federal government’s prosecuting arm for Wall Street securities fraud, organised crime and political corruption; prosecutors do not make their careers busting sex crimes, whatever the level of moral public outrage.
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Public corruption unit. Not the sex crime one.
 
Vixen said:
Yes, zooterkin, really.



Public corruption unit. Not the sex crime one.
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It doesn't matter what unit its run through, she is charged with sex crimes - all the charges are under

18 USC Chapter 117 TRANSPORTATION FOR ILLEGAL SEXUAL ACTIVITY AND RELATED CRIMES

18 USC§2422 - Conspiracy to entice minors to travel to engage in illegal sex

18 USC§2422 - Enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts

18 USC§2423 - Conspiracy to transport minors with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity

18 USC§2423 - Transporting a minor with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity

Any way you slice it, she has been charged with sex crimes. Fact. End of story. If you think I'm wrong, take it up with the FBI - they will set you straight.
 
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Vixen said:
Yes, zooterkin, really.

Public corruption unit. Not the sex crime one.
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Whether or not corruption is the main thing the prosecutors are interested in, sex trafficking is what she is being charged with. It may be that there are other people they are after, but you can't pretend it is "not about" sex trafficking.

From your link:

Taken by surprise at 8.30am last Thursday, and accompanied by officers from at least six US law enforcement agencies, the 58-year-old was taken to the medium-security facility and later arraigned via audio-only video conference, accused of luring underage girls, one as young as 14, for her former boyfriend Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abuse.
A spokesman for the US Attorney’s Office in Manhattan said Maxwell is expected to be transferred to New York for a court appearance this week, where she will be charged on four counts relating to allegedly helping transport minors for sexual activity and two for perjury.
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It was as far down as the second and third paragraph though.
 
smartcooky said:
Just a simple question for you. No elaboration necessary, just a simple yes or no answer



Do you believe Ghislane Maxwell is 100% safe from being harmed?
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Harmed by who? The statistics for assaults in prisons make grim reading. For some her being a member of the "elite", being a high profile prisoner and the types of crimes she is accused of (everyone likes to think they aren't the worst) will make her a target for assaults.
 
Checkmite said:
Bob001 said:
If that's true the lawyer would surely have been acting at Epstein's demand, which might mean he was planning his suicide. Authorities could have turned down the request, and might even have been suspicious of it.
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Based on what? He was given a psychiatric assessment and found to no longer be suicidal. They had no grounds to deny his legal team's demand.
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Do they need grounds?

Why would his lawyers have any right to make "demands" about the steps taken by the jail authorities to ensure Epstein's safety? It isn't like the lawyers would be held responsible if something happened to him.
 
angrysoba said:
Whether or not corruption is the main thing the prosecutors are interested in, sex trafficking is what she is being charged with. It may be that there are other people they are after, but you can't pretend it is "not about" sex trafficking.

From your link:



It was as far down as the second and third paragraph though.
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Be that as it may, it is being handled by the Public Corruption Unit..

Public corruption, the FBI’s top criminal investigative priority, poses a fundamental threat to our national security and way of life. It can affect everything from how well our borders are secured and our neighborhoods protected to how verdicts are handed down in courts to how public infrastructure such as roads and schools are built. It also takes a significant toll on the public’s pocketbooks by siphoning off tax dollars—it is estimated that public corruption costs the U.S. government and the public billions of dollars each year. The FBI is uniquely situated to combat corruption, with the skills and capabilities to run complex undercover operations and surveillance.

Overview
The Bureau’s Public Corruption program focuses on:

Investigating violations of federal law by public officials at the federal, state, and local levels of government;
Overseeing the nationwide investigation of allegations of fraud related to federal government procurement, contracts, and federally funded programs;
Combating the threat of public corruption along the nation’s borders and points of entry in order to decrease the country’s vulnerability to drug and weapons trafficking, alien smuggling, espionage, and terrorism.
Addressing environmental crime, election fraud, and matters concerning the federal government procurement, contracts, and federally funded programs.
In 2008, the FBI created the International Corruption Unit (ICU) to oversee the increasing number of investigations involving global fraud against the U.S. government and the corruption of federal public officials outside of the continental U.S. involving U.S. funds, persons, businesses, etc. The ICU’s tasks include:

Overseeing the Bureau’s Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA) and antitrust cases;
Maintaining operational oversight of several International Contract Corruption Task Forces, which investigate and prosecute individuals and firms engaged in bribery, illegal gratuities, contract extortion, bid rigging, collusion, conflicts of interest, product substitution, items and/or services invoiced without delivery, theft, diversion of goods, and individual and corporate conspiracies on every level of U.S. government operations.
No other law enforcement agency has attained the kind of success the FBI has achieved in combating corruption.
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https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/public-corruption

This isn't just about three young adult females aged between fourteen and seventeen transported for sex.
 
zooterkin said:
Perhaps that's what you meant to say the first time?
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I was quoting two reliable sources: The GUARDIAN and the DAILY BEAST.

Take it up with them if you do not believe me.

To recap:

The Southern District of New York ran the investigation into Epstein through its Public Corruption Unit, as it had with its case against Epstein. The charges against Maxwell, involving three alleged but unnamed victims, overlap with the charges brought against the former financier, who killed himself while in custody days after being formally charged.

Both are signals, overt and covert, that neither case was ever truly about Epstein or Maxwell’s alleged sexual misconduct. The Southern District is primarily the federal government’s prosecuting arm for Wall Street securities fraud, organised crime and political corruption; prosecutors do not make their careers busting sex crimes, whatever the level of moral public outrage.
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quadraginta said:
Do they need grounds?

Why would his lawyers have any right to make "demands" about the steps taken by the jail authorities to ensure Epstein's safety? It isn't like the lawyers would be held responsible if something happened to him.
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Vixen said:
Be that as it may, it is being handled by the Public Corruption Unit..

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/public-corruption

This isn't just about three young adult females aged between fourteen and seventeen transported for sex.
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I'm just guessing but there's probably nothing that prevents one group of FBI agents from investigating other cases than they normally would.
 
Arcade22 said:
I'm just guessing but there's probably nothing that prevents one group of FBI agents from investigating other cases than they normally would.
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AIUI the conventional way to deal with organised crime is to start from the bottom. So, if Epstein and Maxwell are bottom of the food chain and the current charges only cover the Clinton years of 1994 - 1998 it seems to me there is every likelihood there will be more arrests to follow in due course as simply listing three of the underage women when there are literally dozens, indicates it is a specimen charge at the moment.
 
quadraginta said:
Do they need grounds?

Why would his lawyers have any right to make "demands" about the steps taken by the jail authorities to ensure Epstein's safety?
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Because a civil rights violation could severely damage the case. Epstein had a fairly elite legal team by all accounts.
 
Checkmite said:
Because a civil rights violation could severely damage the case. Epstein had a fairly elite legal team by all accounts.
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I think it would be hard to contend that enhanced mental health care would be a civil rights violation. The usual complaint is that prisoners aren't getting enough care for physical and mental ailments. In Epstein's case, "suicide watch" meant that guards would check his cell more frequently and that another inmate would be assigned to his cell. That's nothing like physical restraint, forced medication, solitary confinement etc., etc. I continue to be surprised that they didn't have a camera in his cell, but reportedly that would be a civil rights violation.
 
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Alan Dershowitz
@AlanDersh
I hope Epstein made videos
There have been suggestions that Epstein made secret videos of all the men who had sex in his houses and planes. I hope he did and they are all revealed, because they will prove I am not among them. I hereby waive any right of privacy in Epstein videos.
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https://twitter.com/AlanDersh/status/1279803319758848000?s=20

Uhhhh...:boggled:
 
Vixen said:
AIUI the conventional way to deal with organised crime is to start from the bottom. So, if Epstein and Maxwell are bottom of the food chain and the current charges only cover the Clinton years of 1994 - 1998 it seems to me there is every likelihood there will be more arrests to follow in due course as simply listing three of the underage women when there are literally dozens, indicates it is a specimen charge at the moment.
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Okay so given the specific unit that handled the investigation they must be suspected of what then? Bribing public infrastructure procurement officials by offering free turns with teenage girls in return for contracts to build and maintain public infrastructure?
 
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