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Jeffrey Epstein arrested for child sex trafficking

smartcooky said:
Nor would I.

She needs to be protected and watched otherwise she might "commit suicide" as well.
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Bob001 said:
It just shouldn't be possible for a high-profile prisoner to kill himself in a federal lock-up. It might have happened, but there are too many unanswered questions.
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Bob001 said:
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If that's true the lawyer would surely have been acting at Epstein's demand, which might mean he was planning his suicide. Authorities could have turned down the request, and might even have been suspicious of it. And the guards were proven not to have conducted the regular checks that they were responsible for, and Epstein's cellmate was moved out and never replaced. The point is not only that it shouldn't have happened, but shouldn't have been possible. Maybe not as clear-cut as you think.
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Regarding Epstein’s death in custody:

It’s one thing to say it shouldn’t have happened or that US penal systems are atrocious hell-holes. I definitely agree with that.

But the idea that Epstein was murdered involves the kind of typical conspiracy theory tropes of seeing evidence against as evidence of a bigger conspiracy. Or ambiguous evidence is treated as though it must point one way....

A few points:

1) the coroner ruled that it was suicide. Why would she do that unless...dun dun DUN! She was part of the plot. Is this what the conspiracy theorists believe?

Oh but what about the pathologist who was paid by Epstein’s lawyers (who suspect foul play) to witness the autopsy and who said he thought it showed evidence of foul play? Well, the question answers itself.

2) The guards fell asleep and were sacked for doing it. Why would they do that unless...dun dun DUN! They were part of the plot. Maybe paid off or threatened in which case they could always reveal all at some point. Are we expecting them to be whacked any day to cover up the cover up? That’s what usually happens in a conspiracy, right? Is this what the conspiracy theorists believe?

3) He had no cell mate the night he died. Okay, that means it was the perfect opportunity for him to kill himself. Or dun dun DUN! No the Illuminati removed the witnesses! Is this what the conspiracy theorists believe?

4) He wrote his last will and testament before he died. Okay that could mean either he was sorting out his financial affairs as many people might, or that he was planning his own death OR dun dun DUN! Someone mysteriously made him change his will to benefit the murderers or something like that.... right?

I’m not saying he can’t have been murdered but really the evidence hardly points the way of an obvious murder. It seems more likely, as has been mentioned, that Epstein knew he was going to face hard time and according to my research people kill themselves in jail before trial at a much higher rate than they do in prison, and much of it is because of fear of other inmates. Do you think a man like Epstein up on sentences of trafficking underage girls might fear the other inmates? I think some of the posters here (not mentioning any names) have often made jokes about how “Bubba” is going to enjoy having a new cellmate. That seems like pretty good prima facie reason for thinking someone might kill themselves.
 
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angrysoba said:
Regarding Epstein’s death in custody:

It’s one thing to say it shouldn’t have happened or that US penal systems are atrocious hell-holes. I definitely agree with that.

But the idea that Epstein was murdered involves the kind of typical conspiracy theory tropes of seeing evidence against as evidence of a bigger conspiracy. Or ambiguous evidence is treated as though it must point one way....

A few points:

1) the coroner ruled that it was suicide. Why would she do that unless...dun dun DUN! She was part of the plot. Is this what the conspiracy theorists believe?

Oh but what about the pathologist who was paid by Epstein’s lawyers (who suspect foul play) to witness the autopsy and who said he thought it showed evidence of foul play? Well, the question answers itself.

2) The guards fell asleep and were sacked for doing it. Why would they do that unless...dun dun DUN! They were part of the plot. Maybe paid off or threatened in which case they could always reveal all at some point. Are we expecting them to be whacked any day to cover up the cover up? That’s what usually happens in a conspiracy, right? Is this what the conspiracy theorists believe?

3) He had no cell mate the night he died. Okay, that means it was the perfect opportunity for him to kill himself. Or dun dun DUN! No the Illuminati removed the witnesses! Is this what the conspiracy theorists believe?

4) He wrote his last will and testament before he died. Okay that could mean either he was sorting out his financial affairs as many people might, or that he was planning his own death OR dun dun DUN! Someone mysteriously made him change his will to benefit the murderers or something like that.... right?

I’m not saying he can’t have been murdered but really the evidence hardly points the way of an obvious murder. It seems more likely, as has been mentioned, that Epstein knew he was going to face hard time and according to my research people kill themselves in jail before trial at a much higher rate than they do in prison, and much of it is because of fear of other inmates. Do you think a man like Epstein up on sentences of trafficking underage girls might fear the other inmates? I think some of the posters here (not mentioning any names) have often made jokes about how “Bubba” is going to enjoy having a new cellmate. That seems like pretty good prima facie reason for thinking someone might kill themselves.
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Just a simple question for you. No elaboration necessary, just a simple yes or no answer

Do you believe Ghislane Maxwell is 100% safe from being harmed?
 
These guys are so powerful, it's odd they didn't bump her off anytime in the last year. Maybe they like a challenge of killing her when she's in a prison.
 
theheno said:
These guys are so powerful, it's odd they didn't bump her off anytime in the last year. Maybe they like a challenge of killing her when she's in a prison.
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Oh, I know this one! Me, me, me!

*recites the creed* - The Illuminati carry out their wicked deeds in plain sight! This is how they demonstrate their power.

Did I get it right?
 
angrysoba said:
Oh, I know this one! Me, me, me!

*recites the creed* - The Illuminati carry out their wicked deeds in plain sight! This is how they demonstrate their power.

Did I get it right?
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Must be something like that. But make it a possible suicide so as not to demonstrate their power too obviously.
 
angrysoba said:
Oh, I know this one! Me, me, me!

*recites the creed* - The Illuminati carry out their wicked deeds in plain sight! This is how they demonstrate their power.

Did I get it right?
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That’s how Putin does things and why he does it that way.
 
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Bob001 said:
If that's true the lawyer would surely have been acting at Epstein's demand, which might mean he was planning his suicide. Authorities could have turned down the request, and might even have been suspicious of it.
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Based on what? He was given a psychiatric assessment and found to no longer be suicidal. They had no grounds to deny his legal team's demand.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Epstein wasn’t nobody.
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Yep, very good. But Lewis Carrol beat you to it.

“Who did you pass on the road?" the King went on, holding out his hand to the Messenger for some more hay.
"Nobody," said the Messenger.
"Quite right," said the King; "this young lady saw him too. So of course Nobody walks slower than you."
"I do my best," the Messenger said in a sullen tone. "I'm sure nobody walks much faster than I do!"
"He can't do that," said the King, "or else he'd have been here first.”
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Arcade22 said:
The emphasis was on her perceived loyalty to him so I would not read it as an affirmation that she knows about his dirty laundry, just that she would not talk about it or rat him out even if she knew.
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Frankly, if it means she gets twelve years instead of 45 then she will sing like a canary. Prince Andrew did after all say it was 'her problem' in his car crash interview with Emily Maitlis.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
My stance has always been that Epstein died of "assisted suicide": he put his affairs in as much order as he could, he had a lot of experience in paying off guards, and he could see that this time there won't be a cushy sentence.
He also knew that suicide is hard.

I think he had an inmate or guard paid to kill him fast and hopefully painless.
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Only problem with this theory is that said assistant then becomes liable to life in prison himself for murder.
 
theheno said:
These guys are so powerful, it's odd they didn't bump her off anytime in the last year. Maybe they like a challenge of killing her when she's in a prison.
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No point in bumping her off because you can be sure the FBI already has everything they need to know. They have been surveying her for over a year now.

This is not about a sex crime (note the charges relate to 1994 - 1998) well out of time, as it were, but is listed under the Public Corruption Unit.

Note the years: these are the Clinton years.

The feds couldn't care less about the sex parties or they would have acted years ago. They re going after the people very high up. The Clintons? The bent financiers? The real movers and shakers.

IMV Epstein was down there, Maxwell is 'higher up' than Epstein and there are those who are her paymasters.
 
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