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Split Thread Tearing Down Statues Associated With Racial Injustice

One of those who participated in tearing down a Jefferson statue was quoted as saying.

"There wasn't rage," he said. "We were doing this thing that should've been done, that people in charge aren't doing."

When the government won't do what people want, it's only natural that the people can't wait forever. Grab a rope and get it done.
 
Meadmaker said:
I wondered how many different historical figures had statues brought down or desecrated lately. I was amazed that I had missed this one:

https://www.republicworld.com/world...rotests-gandhi-statue-targeted-in-london.html

Gandhi. Gandhi?

So here's a list of ones I know about that have been pulled down

Jefferson Davis
Confederate soldier (Many instances)
Christopher Columbus
Ulysses S. Grant
George Washington
Francis Scott Key
Juan de Onate (Not quite pulled down. The attempt was interrupted when someone was shot. Removed by owners to prevent further vandalism, although other statues of him have also been vandalized)
Saint Junipero Serra
General Albert Pike
Orville Hubbard (Mayor of Dearborn, Michigan)
Edward Carmack (never heard of him)
Miscellaneous Confederate generals, some of which I've never heard of.
Edward Colston
Texas Ranger
Thomas Jefferson


Spray painted or other desecration:

Ghandi
Juan Ponce de Leon
Robert E Lee (I didn't see any actual instances of pulling one of him down. Maybe the ones of Lee were too big for the crowds.)
Winston Churchill
Mathias Baldwin (abolitionist in Philadelphia)
Arthur Ashe
Brigham Young
George Prentice (newspaper publisher in Louisville)

And I'll bet that this list is incomplete.


The world is a much better place, as one can easily see from the list above.

And, there's no evidence of orgies.


And, tonight in Tulsa, Donald Trump criticized the left, saying that they were destroying our heritage. I read about it in a CNN story, who noted that it was a reference to Confederate statues torn down by protestors.
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Apparently the genuises in San Francisco last night also tore down the statue of Miguel Cerventas, author of Don Quixote, who had a statue in the same area that the other statues were in. (
Someone explain the justification for that one?
I got a sick feeling some of them were just tearing down any statues of any "Dead White Men" they cam across. Miracle they misseed the statues of Robert Burns and Shakespeare that are in that area.
Yeah, I fell strongly about this because I was very fond of that area.
 
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Elagabalus said:
Maybe they're questioning the idea that urban public parks/spaces necessarily need a statue?
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That ia a very poor defense of their actions.
IMHO if caught, they should be charged with vandalism.
I don't see any justifaction for it at all.
And do you have something against statues in general?
 
It turns out a couple of the statues I listed as being destroyed by vandals were actually removed by city officials. (Sometimes the news stories weren't consistent in their terminology, and my superficial reading of headlines led to miscategorization.)

If this trend of statue desecration continues, I'll update the list. Cervantes goes in. The Texas Ranger and the mayor of Dearborn go out. And who will make the list in the near future?
 
Mike! said:
Pity the 'Poon went under, they'd be having a field day about now.
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The Poon was a victim of it;s own sucess;all it's good writers were lost to the much better paying movie and TV Business.
But we will always have "Bored Of The Rings".
 
dudalb said:
The Poon was a victim of it;s own sucess;all it's good writers were lost to the much better paying movie and TV Business.
But we will always have "Bored Of The Rings".
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I was going to point out that 'Bored of the Rings' was The Harvard Lampoon not National Lampoon then realised the connection. As you were.
 
Meadmaker said:
I wondered how many different historical figures had statues brought down or desecrated lately. I was amazed that I had missed this one:

https://www.republicworld.com/world...rotests-gandhi-statue-targeted-in-london.html

Gandhi. Gandhi?

So here's a list of ones I know about that have been pulled down

Jefferson Davis
Confederate soldier (Many instances)
Christopher Columbus
Ulysses S. Grant
George Washington
Francis Scott Key
Juan de Onate (Not quite pulled down. The attempt was interrupted when someone was shot. Removed by owners to prevent further vandalism, although other statues of him have also been vandalized)
Saint Junipero Serra
General Albert Pike
Orville Hubbard (Mayor of Dearborn, Michigan)
Edward Carmack (never heard of him)
Miscellaneous Confederate generals, some of which I've never heard of.
Edward Colston
Texas Ranger
Thomas Jefferson


Spray painted or other desecration:

Ghandi
Juan Ponce de Leon
Robert E Lee (I didn't see any actual instances of pulling one of him down. Maybe the ones of Lee were too big for the crowds.)
Winston Churchill
Mathias Baldwin (abolitionist in Philadelphia)
Arthur Ashe
Brigham Young
George Prentice (newspaper publisher in Louisville)

And I'll bet that this list is incomplete.


The world is a much better place, as one can easily see from the list above.

And, there's no evidence of orgies.


And, tonight in Tulsa, Donald Trump criticized the left, saying that they were destroying our heritage. I read about it in a CNN story, who noted that it was a reference to Confederate statues torn down by protestors.
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Of course, Arthur Ashe was tagged WLM, then covered by BLM, then back again. A week or so ago, I had been by there and the monument was untouched, even the nearby cannon had not been painted. :mad:
 
All these statues getting yanked down is just grinding to level up. The big boss is Stone Mountain, but we're gonna need a lot more XP before we're ready to dynamite that abomination.
 
They tried to get Andy Jackson, but police dispersed the crowd.

That one was pretty predictable. Slaveowner, Trail of Tears. They could even put up a statue of Harriet Tubman in its place.
 
dudalb said:
The Poon was a victim of it;s own sucess;all it's good writers were lost to the much better paying movie and TV Business.
But we will always have "Bored Of The Rings".
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Personally I thought the High School Yearbook was their pinnacle.
 
Nothing shows how passionate you are more than messing with an inanimate object.
 
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Protesters in Bristol have pulled down a 19th century statue of a slave trader and thrown it in the harbour

Footage of it going in the harbour
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The wrong way to do it, definitely it should not be done under the pressure of well known intellectual and cultural terrorists. No doubt things change, nothing is eternal, but in the case of statues inherited from a distant enough past put first a plaque, huge if necessary, explaining why the statues were erected, what are the good and bad parts of those personalities according with current acceptation and so on, followed by a relevant, rational, debate in the public space.

Finally history was how it was but it is still our history, we have to assume it via evaluating it in its context, finally the world does not become a better place when Stalinist methods are used to prosecute retroactively historical figures and at most half the truth is told about the history of the West, all this whilst sugarcoating shamelessly the history of the so called 'victims of colonialism' (for example as i said in another post if we were to follow the 'progressive' methodology quite many of the Islamic scholars of the Middle Ages, and not only, should also go given their rampant support for slavery). The current postmodernist 'progressivism' is part of the problem not the solution.
 
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