Split Thread Tearing Down Statues Associated With Racial Injustice

[JoeMorgue]

https://medium.com/publishous/its-n...dn-t-get-the-response-you-wanted-1b0bf4be9c24

Listen I'm already working on my Bachelor's and another high level IT cert right now, I don't have the time for the Graduate Level Course it would take me to figure out how that was a response to anything I said.

I wonder how some of the historical characters he/she admires would hold up on the inhuman scum scale.

I know this is a "Pulling you out of Plato's Cave" level of shattering your world view, but people who actually want to make the world better don't feel the need to stop and rank every thing before making the world better.

 

[Meadmaker]

I wonder how some of the historical characters he/she admires would hold up on the inhuman scum scale.

I wonder if they admire any historical figures. I suspect they think that their generation, at least the correct thinkers in their generation, are the pinnacle of evolution and superior to all who come before them.


And to prove it, they'll pull down a statue.


Any statue.

 

[Elagabalus]

I wonder if they admire any historical figures. I suspect they think that their generation, at least the correct thinkers in their generation, are the pinnacle of evolution and superior to all who come before them.


And to prove it, they'll pull down a statue.


Any statue.

Maybe they're questioning the idea that urban public parks/spaces necessarily need a statue?

 

[trustbutverify]

I know this is a "Pulling you out of Plato's Cave" level of shattering your world view,...

No, you definitely don't know that.

... but people who actually want to make the world better don't feel the need to stop and rank every thing before making the world better.

Which I'm sure will cause them to keep their mouths shut when other people who want to make the world better start demolishing their sacred cows.

 

[trustbutverify]

Maybe they're questioning the idea that urban public parks/spaces necessarily need a statue?

Well, I'll believe that as soon as this one is defaced. Or this one.
Or this one.

Obviously, destruction of any of these three monuments is the last thing I want to see happen.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Which I'm sure will cause them to keep their mouths shut when other people who want to make the world better start demolishing their sacred cows.

*Laughs* I'd be insulted that you think I'd actually buy that is the point you are trying to make if it wasn't so comically setup.

Again the point is to keep the traitorous statue UP by going "Oh noes but we haven't talked about.... *pause for dramatic effect* wwwwwhhhheeerreeee thhhheeeeee liiiiiinnneee iiiiiiissss draaaaawwwwwnwn enough yet!"

Always has been, always will be. It's just third person "No All Lives Matter" when presented with "Black Lives Matter

 

[JoeMorgue]

And besides even if I bought any of the handwringing in this thread I'll take a hypocrite who uses his hypocrisy to make the world a better place over someone who's moral purity keeps us is a worse place any day, without even having to think about it all that hard.

 

[Distracted1]

And besides even if I bought any of the handwringing in this thread I'll take a hypocrite who uses his hypocrisy to make the world a better place over someone who's moral purity keeps us is a worse place any day, without even having to think about it all that hard.

Just makin' the world a better place!

For somebody.

 

[Meadmaker]

Just makin' the world a better place!

For somebody.

For somebody who doesn't like statues, I guess.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Just makin' the world a better place!

For somebody.

Seriously take stock of your life and try to figure out how you got the point where you're trying to make that sound sinister.

 

[trustbutverify]

*Laughs* I'd be insulted that you think I'd actually buy that is the point you are trying to make if it wasn't so comically setup.

You do realize the point of these protests isn't to prop-up your delicate ego, right?

Again the point is to keep the traitorous statue UP by going "Oh noes but we haven't talked about.... *pause for dramatic effect* wwwwwhhhheeerreeee thhhheeeeee liiiiiinnneee iiiiiiissss draaaaawwwwwnwn enough yet!"
Always has been, always will be. It's just third person "No All Lives Matter" when presented with "Black Lives Matter

Not for me, it isn't. I've been anti Confederate flag, monument and honor, possibly since before you were born.

And besides even if I bought any of the handwringing in this thread I'll take a hypocrite who uses his hypocrisy to make the world a better place over someone who's moral purity keeps us is a worse place any day, without even having to think about it all that hard.

I just assumed the highlighted.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

I wonder if they admire any historical figures. I suspect they think that their generation, at least the correct thinkers in their generation, are the pinnacle of evolution and superior to all who come before them.

A lot of the thoughts you've been expressing in this thread remind me of this essay by Paul Graham back in 2004. I think you may enjoy it, and it seems even more relevant today than it did when I first read it.

 

[Meadmaker]

A lot of the thoughts you've been expressing in this thread remind me of this essay by Paul Graham back in 2004. I think you may enjoy it, and it seems even more relevant today than it did when I first read it.

I read it. Lots of good things. It won't be my favorite essay ever, but I did think it contained much good in it. However, cherry picking one small piece, I loved this quote:

When people are bad at math, they know it, because they get the wrong answers on tests. But when people are bad at open-mindedness they don't know it. In fact they tend to think the opposite.

I think that applies to other things in addition to "open-mindedness". Perhaps "making the world a better place" is one of those.

 

[Elagabalus]

I wonder what would happen if Ben's image was tweaked like they did with Jemimah. If they kept the same old guy but gave him groovy dreadlocks and dropped the Uncle name - what would be the reaction?

The question is half serious and half silly.

If you're still using Uncle Ben's Fake rice and Aunt Jemima Fake syrup in this day and age you might have bigger problems-like losing your sense of taste due to Covid-19.

 

[dudalb]

I wonder if they admire any historical figures. I suspect they think that their generation, at least the correct thinkers in their generation, are the pinnacle of evolution and superior to all who come before them.


And to prove it, they'll pull down a statue.


Any statue.

Since they almost certainly swing to the extreme left, they admire people like Mao, Castro, and Lenin all of whom were, by any rational s tandard, brutal dictators.

 

[dudalb]

And what was up with teraing down General Grant, who was instrumental in wrecking the Confederacy?
Apparently he did inherit a slave but seems to have freed the slave as soon as possible.
Tearng down statues of Grant and Washington helps nobody but Trump, frankly. These morons are playing right into his hands.
But than that is San Francisco. As much as I love the city, politically it does seem to exist in its own little world at times.

 

[dudalb]

For once we agree but I suspect you were being sarcastic.

Can you tell me what percentage of statues in the USA have been hit by this "orgy of destruction", one assumes you have some objective data and not just making something up that suits your sensibilities?

The stutes in San Francisco were all located in one area of Golden Gate Park...in the concourse between the park's two major museums..The De Young Art Museum and The California Academy of Sciences (the major Science museum in California).I suspect it was a matter of close location adn opportuinty, and , this being San Francisco , a number of the participants being high on something.
And I am still wondrering why the hell they also vadlizied that statue of Cervantes, author of Don Quixote?
What nest, topple the statue of El CId at the Legion of Honor Museum in Lincoln Park

 

[dudalb]

ANybody care to defedn the San Francisco action?

Fact is, the idiots just gave huge amounts of ammo to Trump and he GOP.

 

[dudalb]

I have to admit the response fo the Mayor of SF in response was weak, very weak.

 

[Meadmaker]

I wondered how many different historical figures had statues brought down or desecrated lately. I was amazed that I had missed this one:

https://www.republicworld.com/world...rotests-gandhi-statue-targeted-in-london.html

Gandhi. Gandhi?

So here's a list of ones I know about that have been pulled down

Jefferson Davis
Confederate soldier (Many instances)
Christopher Columbus
Ulysses S. Grant
George Washington
Francis Scott Key
Juan de Onate (Not quite pulled down. The attempt was interrupted when someone was shot. Removed by owners to prevent further vandalism, although other statues of him have also been vandalized)
Saint Junipero Serra
General Albert Pike
Orville Hubbard (Mayor of Dearborn, Michigan)
Edward Carmack (never heard of him)
Miscellaneous Confederate generals, some of which I've never heard of.
Edward Colston
Texas Ranger
Thomas Jefferson


Spray painted or other desecration:

Ghandi
Juan Ponce de Leon
Robert E Lee (I didn't see any actual instances of pulling one of him down. Maybe the ones of Lee were too big for the crowds.)
Winston Churchill
Mathias Baldwin (abolitionist in Philadelphia)
Arthur Ashe
Brigham Young
George Prentice (newspaper publisher in Louisville)

And I'll bet that this list is incomplete.


The world is a much better place, as one can easily see from the list above.

And, there's no evidence of orgies.


And, tonight in Tulsa, Donald Trump criticized the left, saying that they were destroying our heritage. I read about it in a CNN story, who noted that it was a reference to Confederate statues torn down by protestors.