Pulling a Gun and Running from the Sheriff While Hispanic?

KTLA 5 said:
One of two deputies involved fired six rounds at Andres Guardado, who was struck in the upper torso and pronounced dead Thursday in the 400 block of Redondo Beach Boulevard, Los Angeles County sheriff’s Capt. Kent Wegener said at a news conference Saturday.

Officials said Guardado had a handgun with a loaded, illegal large-capacity magazine.

“At this point we don’t believe that gun was fired,” Wegener said. “I know that the gun was in his hand as he fled from the deputies, I don’t know where from… or if he had it in his hand the whole time.”

Two deputies from the Compton sheriff’s station were out on patrol when they saw Guardado talking to someone in a car that was blocking a driveway, so they stopped their vehicle.

“Guardado reportedly looked toward the deputies, reached a handgun and ran southbound down the driveway of the business at the location,” Wegener said. “Deputies gave chase on foot, and ultimately caught up to Guardado at the rear of the business, where a deputy-involved shooting occurred.”

It’s still unclear what prompted the use of force. Wegener said the department is still looking into what led up to the shooting and are examining cameras to see if any captured the incident. But so far, homicide detectives have no video of what happened in the alley.

Sheriff Alex Villanueva said the shooting illustrates the importance of having body-worn cameras for all deputies.

Asked about the Guardado family’s statements that the young man was shot in the back as he was running away, the captain said an autopsy set to be performed within the coming days will confirm exactly where he was shot...

...Andrew Haney, a mechanic and manager at a nearby auto shop, told the Associated Press that Guardado would sometimes come directly from his job elsewhere as a security guard, often still wearing his uniform, to learn from the mechanics and to keep guard to prevent graffiti...
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https://ktla.com/news/local-news/in...-18-year-old-andres-guardado-in-gardena-area/
 
Two deputies from the Compton sheriff’s station were out on patrol when they saw Guardado talking to someone in a car that was blocking a driveway, so they stopped their vehicle.
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Yep, we definitely need more ******* cops on the street.
 
ABC 7 said:
Guardado's family is also demanding an independent investigation and maintains that the gun retrieved at the scene of the shooting was not his.

Capt. Kent Wegener, the head of the department's Homicide Bureau, said that investigators have taken six or seven exterior cameras from the scene of Thursday's shooting. Two of the cameras had ports for memory cards but were empty.

A search warrant was obtained to gain access to any "web-based video or security footage from the third-party vendor who supplies the service at the scene," Wegener said...
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https://abc7.com/gardena-shooting-deputy-la-county-sheriffs-department-lt-charles-calderaro/6258149/
 
Could the police have been in an unmarked vehicle, or do LA County Sheriff's Deputies not do that?
 
William Parcher said:
He displayed a gun when the cops were just looking at him/them.
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1. That's a claim from cops justifying a shooting, which I always find unconvincing in the absence of supporting evidence.
2. It has nothing to do with my point which is that the cops claim that they were stopping to investigate someone they happened to see blocking a driveway. It's a perfect example of **** we absolutely don't need cops doing. In fact, the best case scenario would have been the cops extending the time the driveway would be blocked.

Seriously. Even if you accept their story in total, they were essentially stopping to harass people for nothing.
 
Babbylonian said:
Seriously. Even if you accept their story in total, they were essentially stopping to harass people for nothing.
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Seriously. They were stopped because someone was blocking a driveway and they need to move. That isn't harassment. But before they can say, "move that car", a gun is suddenly displayed for them to view.
 
William Parcher said:
He displayed a gun when the cops were just looking at him/them.
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I mean I don't know about you guys but whenever I know I've been up to criminality and I see a cop go by, I always pull out a gun just to make sure I definitely attract their attention to me specifically before I then turn and run away from them.
 
AJM8125 said:
Yep. **** don't add up.
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Ok, but think it through.


Guy is carrying a highly illegal weapon. Maybe doesn't have a proper concealed carry holster (not too far fetched, I hope). So it's in his pocket, or shoved in his waistband.

Cops roll up. He decides he should run, rather than get caught with it. What would he do?
 
Thermal said:
Ok, but think it through.
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That's what I'm doing.

On the one hand, we have the LASD accounts(s) which have Andres pulling a handgun and fleeing, only to be chased down and killed. LASD then confiscated cameras and DVR(s) at the scene which may show evidence.

On the other, individuals interviewed by media outlets claim Andres was a good kid who never carried a gun and was summarily executed by LASD deputies who shot him several times in the back while he was unarmed and on his knees with his hands up. LASD officials then began destroying cameras and confiscating DVR(s) to cover things up.

The truth is somewhere in this. That's where my head is at.
 
AJM8125 said:
That's what I'm doing.

On the one hand, we have the LASD accounts(s) which have Andres pulling a handgun and fleeing, only to be chased down and killed. LASD then confiscated cameras and DVR(s) at the scene which may show evidence.

On the other, individuals interviewed by media outlets claim Andres was a good kid who never carried a gun and was summarily executed by LASD deputies who shot him several times in the back while he was unarmed and on his knees with his hands up. LASD officials then began destroying cameras and confiscating VR(s) to cover things up.

The truth is somewhere in this. That's where my head is at.
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I just meant in terms of why he would take the gun out and start running. Some people find that inexplicable behavior. If he had no holster, it was what he would have to do.

But ya, the rest of the story is not smelling clean.
 
Checkmite said:
I mean I don't know about you guys but whenever I know I've been up to criminality and I see a cop go by, I always pull out a gun just to make sure I definitely attract their attention to me specifically before I then turn and run away from them.
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And that's why I asked if it may have been an unmarked police vehicle - because if so, he might have thought it was civilian instead of cop.
 
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Thermal said:
Ok, but think it through.


Guy is carrying a highly illegal weapon. Maybe doesn't have a proper concealed carry holster (not too far fetched, I hope). So it's in his pocket, or shoved in his waistband.

Cops roll up. He decides he should run, rather than get caught with it. What would he do?
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Maybe just...run? While not conveniently pulling it out so they can see it? Sure they might decide to chase you anyway, but all you need is to break their line of direct sight for a couple of seconds and magically you're not carrying a gun when they catch up to you.
 
It looks like there's more to this than everyone wants to admit.

The Guardado shooting came 10 days after a man was found in the driveway of the same business, suffering from multiple gunshot wounds, and a blood trail into the building, which led investigators to get a search warrant that revealed narcotics and a shotgun, Wegener said. The victim survived and the shooting remained under investigation.
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From another news site:

Wegener said deputies had been called to the same address on June 7, responding to reports of a gunshot victim. He said deputies followed a blood trail inside one of the businesses and found narcotics and a shotgun. He said the victim in that shooting was recovering, but did not indicate if an arrest had been made.
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So there's more going on around that body shop that everybody involved in the protests is ignoring or not aware of.

You have a place of business where a shooting occurred and illegal drugs and at least one weapon were found, then a few days later you have the police stop at that place of business to see why a car is stopped in the drive way blocking traffic - and all hell breaks loose.

Looks to me like there's lots of room for dishonesty on both sides of this story.

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As for the cameras supposedly being destroyed:

It seems that at least some of the cameras had slots for SD cards to make local recordings as well as sending the video the the recording system.

From here:

Investigators have yet to find video of the shooting, but search warrants were served to seize security cameras from nearby business and thus far, have not been found to contain footage of the shooting. Two of the cameras had ports for SD cards but no cards, he said. A search warrant was also served on a third-party alarm company for Internet-based footage.
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That provides a possible reason for the alleged destruction of cameras.
 
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Babbylonian said:
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2. It has nothing to do with my point which is that the cops claim that they were stopping to investigate someone they happened to see blocking a driveway. It's a perfect example of **** we absolutely don't need cops doing. In fact, the best case scenario would have been the cops extending the time the driveway would be blocked.
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Or, stopping to take a look at something fishy at a spot where a near murder occurred the week before.

Wegener said deputies had been called to the same address on June 7, responding to reports of a gunshot victim. He said deputies followed a blood trail inside one of the businesses and found narcotics and a shotgun. He said the victim in that shooting was recovering, but did not indicate if an arrest had been made.
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It's popular to bash the police these days, but nobody ever stops to see if the bashing is deserved.

I also find it interesting that the (near) murder drew no interest and was not even mentioned in interviews with the shop owner/manager.

I mean, somebody is shot on the doorstep of your shop and drags themselves inside while leaving a trail of blood. The police investigate (after getting a warrant) and find drugs and a weapon in the shop. A week later, the police shoot someone at your shop and there's no mention of other things going on - just the police apparently at random stopping in your driveway and shooting a "good kid" for no reason.
 
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William Parcher said:
Two things come to mind.

1) The police broke the cameras for unknown reasons and it was just like the shop manager said.
2) The police did not break the cameras and the shop manager is not telling the truth.
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Or:

3) they want to claim there's no footage because the cameras are broken. Destroy the footage, produce broken cameras as evidence there was no footage.
 
Ethan Thane Athen said:
Or:

3) they want to claim there's no footage because the cameras are broken. Destroy the footage, produce broken cameras as evidence there was no footage.
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4) Shop owner is involved in shady business with the local drug runners and claims the police destroyed evidence to hide the fact that his cameras didn't work anyway.

We can make up possibilities all day. What really happened is probably something else entirely.
 
MortFurd said:
4) Shop owner is involved in shady business with the local drug runners and claims the police destroyed evidence to hide the fact that his cameras didn't work anyway.

We can make up possibilities all day. What really happened is probably something else entirely.
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You're right. I remain skeptical of all claims unsubstantiated without evidence, including the claims by the police that the victim pulled a gun when fleeing. As of yet, there is no real evidence that this gun with no serial number actually belonged to the deceased. The idea of a "drop gun" used by the police to cover up an unlawful killing is just as plausible as this bizarre story of the man pulling a gun and running to be shot in the back.

I think we're beginning to see a shift to where a police officer's word is no longer accepted as truth until proven otherwise. Hopefully this means that police killings that occur without video recording will be treated with extreme hostility by the public.
 
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