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To go back to a question that doesn’t seem to have been answered, what is the reason for the highlighted bit?

Particularly given that the device in question cannot detect 4G or 5G at all.

ETA: The manufacturer only sells anti-electrosmog devices and products, nothing else.

https://www.gigahertz-solutions.de

Wandering through their product catalog is a bucket of fun, particularly the "marketing-speek" parts.
 
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I did some contract work for one of our Telcos (Telkom SA) about 30 years ago, when I was employed at UCT and finishing my 2nd degree, which involved the consolidation of various existing X.25, X400 and Diginet network configurations and user data into one database. Project Unibase, I believe it was called.

Hey, I needed the money, so I sold my soul :) Walked out frustrated after a year. In that time I became an expert in SQL queries, so it wasn't a total loss.

Interestingly enough, I worked with Mark Shuttleworth - he was developing his digital certificate product on the sly while working at Telkom. I didn't like him much, which is a shame - I could have been rich now :p

I have a lifelong friend with a doctorate in mathematics. He moved to Germany to work for the ECB in modelling. The rest of us regularly accuse him of selling his soul and his nickname is now "traitor". All in good fun of course.

I also kind of fell into SQL long ago. So long that I still prefer to write it at the command line. Away with those new fangled GUI devilry.
 
found it, nice rundown thx.

Here is a teardown of a similar meter, to give you an idea of construction and what is generally found inside.

The video on the page is revealing when it comes to testing its operation.

I've taken a couple of these things apart myself, and the construction is always very similar. Kerry does a good job here, although some parts may not be understandable to non-electronic folk. Let me know if you need an explanation.

I have not disassembled an HF35C, but I can confidently say it will have similar characteristics.
 
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I have a lifelong friend with a doctorate in mathematics. He moved to Germany to work for the ECB in modelling. The rest of us regularly accuse him of selling his soul and his nickname is now "traitor". All in good fun of course.

I've had a couple of South Africans call me a traitor for moving, but I think secretly they were jealous. Hey, you gotta go where the work is, and in SA currently work is hard to come by in my field. That's a story for another thread one day.

I also kind of fell into SQL long ago. So long that I still prefer to write it at the command line. Away with those new fangled GUI devilry.

A well-designed command line query is a thing of beauty. I always imagined a little homunculus scurrying away into the dim and nebulous world of big data, full of hidden jewels to be discovered and rickety index tables to be avoided, on a mission to fetch me the key to the kingdom, whenever I hit the return key.

I read too much Jack Vance...
 
It is a good day. I say this to explain why I have responded in detail to this post.

However, most of JU's post is a personal and unwarranted attack. And leaves me to deny the claims. It is a derail. Only or two salient point are made and those are a pre-exemptive refutation of any experiment. If I succeed JU will reference this post to negate any evidence that Emfs can cause harm.

I will let this one sit while I get on with projects.

That's disappointing. I had hoped you would learn something about your critics that would convince you they are not the cretins you keep calling them. A lot of people have expended a lot of effort trying to address your nominal complaints. Your grateful attention would have been appreciated. Nobody is really interested in your running diary of symptoms or anecdotes from your childhood. That's not what this forum is for. But more importantly, I rather think you should have spent the time it took to post all this irrelevant garbage to read what others have said to you.

You started out okay then descended into ad hominems.

Yes, and the hope that once the root cause is identified, a remedy can be found. I do hard science to keep me out of courtrooms. Other people do good science because they love the natural world, or they feel the need to help people in general. There are as many reasons as there are scientists. Good science in this case would be to your direct, personal benefit. It's not just academic "confirmation." What you think or believe, that would be academically confirmed by an experiment, doesn't matter to anyone else.

Implying I do not know what I am talking about. Note: I won. The judge agreed. The next judge dismissed on a technicality and ignored perjury.



That's exactly what science isn't. And it's patently not what your critics have done.


This strikes me as projection. As I pointed out yesterday, you've gone out of your way to make this a debate about whether you're smarter than the skeptics. You've peppered every day's posts with fairly naked claims to that effect. Your entire tenure at this forum is a saga of claiming to be better than others by some measure: you're better educated, you were better at your job, God talks to you, you can do signs and wonders. It's quite a list.

I respond to challenges. My credential are on records. You talk a fancy game but not much support.

All the while your critics have been patiently open to the notion that all of these things could be true, and that you are the better man along whatever dimension you claim. Some of them have been extraordinary claims, to be sure. But at every step all your critics have asked for is evidence that would tend to support your claims. You've stubbornly refused to provide it. In contrast, when your critics demonstrate the fruits of their knowledge and experience, you ignore it and berate them. And worse.

You call my personal evidence anecdotes. You dismiss my supporting links to science. You change the subject when asked for a direct response.

I've said you seem to be drawing your science not from scientists but from politically-minded activists who have created the narrative of trying to hold powerful interests accountable. Very well, that's how that debate typically goes. But you seem oblivious to the possibility they they too might have an agenda that biases their presentation of the facts. Naturally from them you're going to get only one side of the scientific question, interpreted through the lens of politics. It's not "muddying" the waters to wipe off that lens and widen the view of what the science really looks like.

They are scientists who post reviews in peer reviewed journals. But you not only miss that point but focus on the last one I posted.

When you claim that certain dissimilar forms of radiation should be considered equivalent, a thorough discussion of the difference is not muddying the waters. A similarly thorough discussion of genetic mutation is not mud. Not to be too "meta," but what really might be seen as obfuscation is writing off as such posts that are clearly filled with information that should be considered in depth and responded to in a conscientious debate. When your propositions are demonstrably simplistic and based on obviously cherry-picked support, filling in the gaps is the right answer.

I told you it was an analogy to say that they both cause harm. You turn my argument into an equivalency and then attack your own straw-man.

What might be further considered clouding the issue is to weigh down a proposed protocol with a bunch of buzzwords and vague handwaving so as to suggest the experiment could never be performed in a dispositive way. The goal of the experiment was modest, as were its expectations. But in any case, your last-ditch effort to make the experiment seem objectively disrecommendable did more than simply repeat the ploy of trying to techno-bluster your way into the illusion of erudition. It ignored a very fundamental way in which science -- as practiced -- has learned about how to deal with the messiness of the real world. You're simply not a scientist, and the only harm that shortcoming has caused you is self-inflicted. You try to play one, but you are clearly in over your head. Stop playing one, and your problems with others evaporate.
False babble. I responded to claims am a layman. What rubbish. Do I need to be with a University as a professor who write articles? I use my understanding of science and do research and then make things happen. I have a long list of accomplishments which you turn your nose up at.

This is why you infuriate people. You calmly announce that you haven't read their statements. And then in the middle of a wall of rambling anecdotes and pontification, you shove arguments into their mouths that they never made. Ignoring what people say is disappointing. After that, pretending they said what you want them to have said is insulting. In this area I bow to the Master. If other poster buy into your unsupported claims and statements because they want to, then thay are poorer for it.

Irrelevant. This is an experiment tailored to you and your specific claims. You are the only suitable subject, and the only measurement being taken is whether the correlation exists that you've claimed only in your specific case. No other hypothesis is being tested, such that other subjects would be appropriate.

This forum dismisses EHS outright. And dismisses the possibility of harm done by EMF. All it takes is one piece of evidence to prove the falsity of that stance. Like proving God. Just one piece of unassailable evidence is needed.

Handwaving.
Again the Master speaks.

It is in your case, which is all we're concerned with. If we were trying to prove that electromagnetic field effects consistently or generally cause harm, it would be insufficient evidence. But that's not the purpose of the test. At this point we only want to show correlation in your isolated case. The hypothesis is, "PartSkeptic can tell by somewhat extrasensory means whether the wifi is operating." There is no claim being made that the results in your case would generalize any wider. The test does not fail merely because a broader scope exists.

Oh, now you limit the experiment and propose some unknown variable in case I succeed. Clever (no - the proper word is "cunning").

If there is no correlation, then we don't need to delve into the details of causation, because there is no causation. If there is measurable correlation, then we can go on to investigate causation -- including potential confounds -- with a more rigorous protocol. Professional scientists do this all the time. Pilot studies are sometimes reported, but only if there is general interest.

You now pronounce that any result only shows correlation. Once again. Cunning. And again with the "non-professional you do not have the credentials or standing".

You obviously aren't going to do the test, as most of your critics predicted. Try as you might to say it's for reasons of scientific invalidity, you simply cannot walk that walk. Your critics here are obviously far more experienced than you in what constitutes acceptable scientific practice. Repeatedly ignoring them doesn't make that go away. Repeatedly calling them ignorant doesn't make that go away. Repeatedly pretending they must cling to the arguments you hand them to say, doesn't make that go away.

Rubbish. No support for your claim.

Having dismissed your flimsy pretext, I will once again invoke the only relevant anecdote from a previous thread: you had a relative who claimed to be a dowser and refused for a long time to be tested. When finally tested, he failed. What makes you any different? As someone else so cleverly put it, you're claiming to be able to dowse electromagnetic energy. Your critics credibly conclude that you refuse to be tested so that you can keep on believing you're special in that way. You refuse the test not because it's scientifically invalid, but because one can't fail a test one never takes.

Another cunning twist to discredit me. Now you claim my experiment is not science but "Woo" - supernatural (a trick of some sort to skeptics.)

It's not about your critics rejecting something because of what they want to believe about the world in general. It's about you rejecting something because of what you want to believe about yourself. What you want to believe about yourself is no one else's concern. So if I were you, I would go live out the rest of my life in whatever comfort can obtained. I would avoid continuing to make the mistake that what you believe about yourself is something others should believe about you on no more authority than your say-so. It's a mistake you don't need to make, and which is apparently not working out for you.

I have a fantastic life and a great outlook. Your advice is a transparent attempt at appearing both intellectually and morally superior by condescending to a poor deluded soul. Methinks there is a lot of insecurity behind the image you work so hard to project to others.

As well you should. You're not using this forum in the way it was intended, nor in a way that profits you. If you like writing things and posting them on the Internet just for people to see and appreciate, rather than challenge, then I daresay that's not hard to accomplish in a place where challenging extraordinary claims is not the expected norm.

I have made a number of claims intended to the good of humanity. Individuals could benefit. I have had to respond to scoffing and disbelief by improving my knowledge and how I try to get others to see the truth. Once more you make a patently false statement.
 
I see you've fallen back to calling your critics stupid and hoping others will believe that. Again, you've just thrown a lot of terms out there that you evidently hope will be unfamiliar to people, so that you can continue to insinuate they are distinctions that make the difference you propose. Or that they're even relevant, such as packet-switching and header-payload, which describe at the protocol level how information is organized between sender and receiver, but have bugger all to do with the electromagnetic properties of the signal used to encode them.

Yes, I too want the specifics on how the factors you mention result in a difference in the deposition of energy in human tissue. Assume I have a Phd level knowledge.

Proceed.


Where did I call people stupid? Another strawman. I said the understanding was superficial. How do you equate the two?

If your knowledge is Phd then you would know the terms, and also be able to tell me why SOME of the issues are possibly negligible, but also why they might contribute to an effect.

Other than the heating effect which you are so convinced is the only effect.
 
I just now saw I am getting warnings for being personal.

I suppose getting me banned is one way to stop this thread. And stop me from responding to the attacks upon me - quit while supposedly ahead.

And everyone can crow that they "saw me off". It is often time to go when it gets to the point that all I get is jibes and insults. People here can dish it out but not take it.

Hmmm. :cool:
 
If your knowledge is Phd then you would know the terms...

Not the point. I asked you to assume your audience had an expert understanding so that you would not be tempted to devolve into bluster, or withhold detail on the premise that they wouldn't understand it. Are you able to provide that level of technical detail in your posts?

Other than the heating effect which you are so convinced is the only effect.

You keep saying I have made this argument, and I have asked you to link to where I made it. After being called out so many times on it, you're still trying to shoehorn everyone else's argument into what you have in mind they should say. Ignoring what people say and pretending they said something else is not an effective way to make your point.
 
I suppose getting me banned is one way to stop this thread. And stop me from responding to the attacks upon me - quit while supposedly ahead.

And everyone can crow that they "saw me off". It is often time to go when it gets to the point that all I get is jibes and insults. People here can dish it out but not take it.

The only one here who has the power to "get you banned" is you. I have warned you on numerous occasions that you would need a better argument than bluster followed by belittling your critics when they don't buy it. Since you seem not to have heeded that, others are stepping in. If you believe people here are "dishing out" insults, then you are free to report their posts. However, I don't see anyone insulting you. They're disagreeing with you and pointing out your errors, but you're the one taking it personally. And now you seem to admit responding -- as you seem to perceive it -- in kind, as if justified. If the condition for debating your claims is that we must "take it," then you are probably not in the right forum, and leaving of your own accord is probably best for everyone.
 
JayUtah said:
If there is no correlation, then we don't need to delve into the details of causation, because there is no causation. If there is measurable correlation, then we can go on to investigate causation -- including potential confounds -- with a more rigorous protocol. Professional scientists do this all the time. Pilot studies are sometimes reported, but only if there is general interest.

PartSkeptic said:
You now pronounce that any result only shows correlation. Once again. Cunning. And again with the "non-professional you do not have the credentials or standing".
Actually that is completely accurate. Causation cannot be attributed until correlation has been established. Establishing correlation does not mean that there is necessarily causation, and without correlation a study into causation is unwarranted.

This is science 101. I teach it to high school students.

JayUtah said:
Your critics here are obviously far more experienced than you in what constitutes acceptable scientific practice.

PartSkeptic said:
Rubbish. No support for your claim.
Other than the evidence of your posts, wherein you make unevidenced claims and suggest trials with improper controls, and the posts of your critics which point these out.

Again, I was a professional scientist for several years and teach these basics to high school students.

Case in point - you were offered a reasonable protocol to establish whether or not your home wifi had an effect on you, including success criteria required compared to number of trials. You took that and changed it to include measures that would remove the necessary blinding and thus render the entire exercise invalid in scientific terms.

That's the support for JayUtah's statement.
 
You call my personal evidence anecdotes.


I LOL'd.

Merriman Webster said:
Definition of anecdotal evidence
: evidence in the form of stories that people tell about what has happened to them

Collins said:
1. ADJECTIVE
Anecdotal evidence is based on individual accounts, rather than on reliable research or statistics, and so may not be valid.
 
You didn't give any specifics. You just gave a Wikipedia-level discourse on the history of modulation and suggested it somehow proves your point. You didn't explain, for example, how the power envelope that you say differentiates a TDMA-modulated signal composed of packets and guard intervals is different than amplitude-modulation.

You missed the point - deliberately I would say. The issue was pulsation which you said has been around since Marconi. I spoke from memory and not from Wikipedia and proved you wrong with specifics. Now you try to divert the attention of what the actual issue was with some techno-babble. What point are you trying to make?

I'm happy your low-pass filter worked at school. Since that's kid's stuff, and has been for a couple of decades, it doesn't impress me. I'm glad you know how to read an oscilloscope. Basic filter design, proficiency with common equipment, and ten more skills will qualify you as a bench technician at my company. You're trying so very hard to impress people, as a substitute for providing the support your claims require, and I don't think you realize just how frantic this looks.

The low pass filter was reasonably novel in 1972 - my University thesis. Microprocessors were only just coming into their own. In 1972 we started to see the first calculators but still had to use a slide rule. My partner and I programmed in variables using a series of switches to change the values. It was a crude microprocessor using shift registers to add, subtract, multiply and divide. With A-D on the input and D-A. The fact that you pour scorn on my level of achievement reflects poorly on you. Morally and scientifically.

"I'm so very much smarter than so many other people."

So you do not know how to distinguish between two people with different levels of intelligence. You use scorn and ridicule to try to bring people down to your level. And what level would that be?

You're being held to account for your claims. Your failure to do that is what discredits you, not the ill intentions of your critics. You don't get to enjoy credit you have not earned.

I asked for input and constructive criticism. You have made this an ongoing personal attack. You just will not stop.

"Everyone who can knowledgeably dispute me must be working for my enemies and therefore is not to be trusted."

First I need to see some knowledgeable dispute rather than attempts to subvert this thread. (At least Pixel42 tries and is not afraid of her limitations, although even she has problems resisting scorn, and not giving credit where credit is due.) I wonder why you are trying so hard. What is your motivation to avoid any possibility of a display of emf harm?

You really need a new hobby.

I can see that this forum is your playground.

Here is the point I was trying to make to see if anyone grasped it. I actually thought it was a giveaway.

1. Why is the power so high at times and not at other times.

a. It is not location, because I moved it around to check that.

b. It is possible that the modem decided to communicate using a tower that was much further away. Hence the power boost.

c. There is another possibility. I have heard (but cannot verify) that the Telcos use home WiFi to get improved coverage. They "hijack" a modem and then steer inputs and outputs. The home owner is not charged for the data through put but it seems to be an sly use of equipment they do not own or rent or license. This may be insider info that would be hard to verify unless someone like me did some measurements. But I would need much more sophisticated instruments. If I had the time I could build my own spectrum analyzers that would be specific to my requirements but I do not.

2. Why is the measurement using my meter not good enough?

a. The meter has a wide bandwidth and cannot tell me whether the modem has changed the communication mode. Frequency and/or mode. I have had one person who claims to be EHS tell me the different modes (2G, 3G and 4G) affect her differently. I do not know how much power pulsation take place between the different modes. I do not know how important the frequency is.


To suggest I run test after test on myself to investigate is not an option. The short test I described gave me after-effects that lingered for a day. I think. The problem is that I am very aware I am not in a lab situation where the variables (including my health) are controlled.
 
That has changed. It isn't the wifi at all now. He has simply been incorrectly calling it the wifi because it is the device that provides wifi for him (and wife). But it uses the cell network to obtain a network connection and it is that connection that PS has issue with.

Why he used incorrect terminology I leave as an exercise for the reader.

Whatever the claimed cause is, it ain't the wifi itself.

That said, I leave open the possibility that PS is unaware of the difference between wifi and cell transmission. Or will suddenly change claims.


Oh good grief Charlie Brown. Look at the manual I gave you. Mobile Wifi.

I dealt with the points - and did so in my previous post.

Another example of scorn based on erroneous assumptions which are biased negatively against me.

The phone uses WiFi to communicate with the modem. A WiFi passward is needed to make the connection. The modem connects to the internet via a cell tower. Why do you think I call it a modem?
 
In a post that is no longer here, but was posted less than a quarter of an hour later than that one, he said, “I cannot answer detail.”


Do you think anyone here can tell me the details of the antennae that are used on the tower next to me? Make model and serial number. Power input and output. Operating frequencies. Directional pattern. Or even the CRC scheme in use for the particular Vodacom phone my wife uses.

I can converse with various radio people and know enough to ask pertinent questions. They would not have to explain the basics. Such as theoretical throughput given the working bandwidth.

Get real.

One Telco here has a working frequency of 3.5 Ghz. They claim to get 100 times the speed of other Telcos using the 800 to 1900 Mhz frequencies. Why is this not as simple as they state? What are they not telling the average consumer?
 
Just read it.

The assumption that anyone who questions his arguments and beliefs must be working on behalf of the Telcos really is astonishing.

It so happens that I did use to work for a Telco (AT&T), but that was nearly 20 years ago and I have no reason to defend them now. Even then I would have put the health and welfare of myself and my family above my loyalty to the company I worked for, as I'm sure would the vast majority of Telco employees today.

[I also developed X25 packet switching systems for Plessey, but that was even longer ago].


Thank you. A straight-forward submission. And you go up a few notches in my estimation.


It is not the questioning of me but the effort put into discrediting me in the same fashion as the strategy being used by the Telcos. Doubt and personal attack for starters.
 
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