Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 23

[Norman Alexander]

If you want to pay money to s end your kids to a private school, that is your right as a parent,and I have no problem with that, but don't ask me as a US Taxpayer to foot the bill.

Wrong attitude. If you were the owner of that private school, you too would be trying to make as much profit as possible from anywhere you could legally get it. Just ask De Vos.

 

[SezMe]

I don't come here for politics. I come as an observer and commentator on political fanaticism which is common to all the political parties.

That's funny. That paragraph has a Trumpian quality to it. Carry on.

 

[alfaniner]

It was a warm June day filled with sunshine. The place where the event took place was a grassy field. Reporters noted that walking around on the grass did not get their shoes wet. I aver that if the grassy field was dry so was the hard surface of the ramp. Well, I suppose a groundskeeper could have sprayed the ramp with water just before Trump ended his speech.

I just think you laudable attempt to be fair went beyond what is reasonable. YMMV.

My guess is, with the lifts in his shoes he likes to wear them really loose. Descending at such an angle, he was slipping down into the toe part and had to walk gingerly to keep from popping out of the heels.

 

[SezMe]

Yeah but right now "The Left" is the one on the anti-police side and the Left loves Unions the way Smithers loves Mr. Burns.

Sure they'll try to make the "Oh that just means there are good and bad unions" distinction now but since they have never made that distinction in the past and have been full on "Unions are awesome, working man working" that ain't going to sell well in Peoria.

The Right won't side against cops, the Left won't side against a union. There's no path to victory here within the two political dynasties.

I don't think police unions are inherently bad. What's wrong is the power they somehow have arrogated for themselves. A restructuring seems in order, that' all.

 

[SezMe]

That's only because they said that Richard Gere put a gerbil in his butt. They were half right.

 

[Segnosaur]

Think about this Stacy. Imagine say Trump wanting to pack the court. He nominates justices and the Republican Senate approves those justices and Chief Justice Roberts administers their oath. How do you stop that?

I do not trust stubby Mcbonespurs or Moscow Mitch with any political power. I thing Republicans will abuse whatever authority they have. But I do think there are limits... They need at least some legal framework, some veneer that they are following procedure.

Because of that there are a lot of things they can't do... Pass laws or orders that counts say are unconstitutional or without proper congressional approval, cancel the election, etc. Unilaterally adding judges would be one of those things that just does not have a legal framework.

If you think he might try stacking the courts that way (i.e. illegally), he might just go the other way and disolve the supreme Court.



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[acbytesla]

I do not trust stubby Mcbonespurs or Moscow Mitch with any political power. I thing Republicans will abuse whatever authority they have. But I do think there are limits... They need at least some legal framework, some veneer that they are following procedure.

Because of that there are a lot of things they can't do... Pass laws or orders that counts say are unconstitutional or without proper congressional approval, cancel the election, etc. Unilaterally adding judges would be one of those things that just does not have a legal framework.

If you think he might try stacking the courts that way (i.e. illegally), he might just go the other way and disolve the supreme Court.

You're not wrong. I've been playing a bit of "what if" and "Devil's Advocate". This is political and power brinksmanship. Trump and the GOP have shown they will ignore norms. It takes people to say "no". Roberts has shown he's willing to say no to Trump so my imaginary scenario seems unlikely to me at the moment.

Trying to disband the court is also unlikely in my mind.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I don't think police unions are inherently bad. What's wrong is the power they somehow have arrogated for themselves. A restructuring seems in order, that' all.

there is something inherently problematic with allowing Unionization in sectors that are critical to the economy or society - the effects of a strike go far beyond the direct employer, which gives them outsize negotiation power.

That doesn't mean that Police Unions should be banned, but there must be limits to what they can do.

 

[dudalb]

All it takes is a simple majority in the Senate and a receptive court.

Court has nothing to say a bout it, really. If the senate and President agree the number of judges whould be changed, the Sitting Supreme Court can really do onthing to stop it except yell loudly about it and influence public opinion.

 

[dudalb]

I don't think police unions are inherently bad. What's wrong is the power they somehow have arrogated for themselves. A restructuring seems in order, that' all.

My problwm with the police unions is they are not cncerned with the things unionnnns are usulally conserned about..getting fair treatment and pay for their memebers..but seeing theri members are immune to having to be responsbile for their actions.

 

[acbytesla]

Court has nothing to say a bout it, really. If the senate and President agree the number of judges whould be changed, the Sitting Supreme Court can really do onthing to stop it except yell loudly about it and influence public opinion.

I was thinking that is a possibility too. But if SCOTUS rules against this lining up against the Senate and POTUS says no, you have pretty much entirely thrown out judicial review.

 

[Ladewig]

Another account of how we got here, and a warning:

To count him out before the ballots are cast and counted would be a mistake as awful as those of the politics reporters who covered the 2016 campaign.

https://www.salon.com/2020/06/19/dont-count-trump-out-yet_partner/

Hell, I’m not prepared to count him out after the votes are cast and counted.

He’ll go full meltdown.

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Is there anything other than sanity to prevent a president from launching nukes on a US city? I don’t think it will come to that. This is more of an academic thing.

 

[Aridas]

I'm not sure that many Americans knew what it was either.

As a Pennsylvanian, I can say that this general event was the first time that I had ever even read the word "Juneteenth."

Tulsa is the location of the worst known racial violence in America. The Tulsa race massacre of 1921, a two-day explosion of violence in which white Oklahomans killed hundreds of African-Americans and burned businesses in a prosperous district known as "Black Wall Street." The bloody attack is considered "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history," according to the Oklahoma Historical Society.

Also, at last check, it was by far the most damaging case of domestic terrorism in the US' history, at least outside the Civil War, not just racial violence.

I'm not sure I agree with that part. There might be some superficial resemblance because they all claim to be Christians, but in behavior, a lot of the predominantly-white churches that the GOP panders to seem quite different from those of predominantly-black churches. While black churches seem to be an overall positive influence on their communities and society at large, the white churches seem to spend a lot more of their time on exclusionary, "culture wars" type things, that underlie a whole lot of the problems we're dealing with today.

If a white atheist in Canada can see that, I'm pretty sure a lot of black Christians in the US can see it as well.

Mmm. It's well worth noting that not even remotely all "white" Christian churches are like that. Much about the US' Religious Right can be traced back to the white supremacist version of Christianity that the Confederacy made intrinsic to their power play, more specifically, and much about that can be traced back to the cotton industry in the southern states (which can be described as the most profitable industry that the world had ever known, at that point) and the motivated logic and power plays that the few that benefited most from it engaged in. The Religious Right =/= white Christianity, though.

 

[Bob001]

Trump fires the U.S. Attorney investigating his pals, who responds "Oh, no you didn't."

Attorney General William P. Barr on Friday night abruptly tried to fire the top federal prosecutor in Manhattan, Geoffrey S. Berman, who has investigated several of President Trump’s closest associates, but Mr. Berman said he would not leave.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/19/nyregion/us-attorney-manhattan-trump.html

 

[acbytesla]

Trump fires the U.S. Attorney investigating his pals, who responds "Oh, no you didn't."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/19/nyregion/us-attorney-manhattan-trump.html

Amazing. Imagine theoretically your boss announcing that you had resigned unbeknownst to you.

 

[Cain]

Trump fires the U.S. Attorney investigating his pals, who responds "Oh, no you didn't."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/19/nyregion/us-attorney-manhattan-trump.html

Trump's just making good on his promise to Erodgan, but now liberals are trying to spin this as a bad thing.

 

[Stacyhs]

Trump fires the U.S. Attorney investigating his pals, who responds "Oh, no you didn't."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/19/nyregion/us-attorney-manhattan-trump.html

Another example of the politicization of the DOJ under Trump crony Barr. Outrageous.

 

[Minoosh]

Amazing. Imagine theoretically your boss announcing that you had resigned unbeknownst to you.

But Trump does this all the time. And he probably does have the legal authority to do it - those are patronage jobs, despite the thin fiction of an independent prosecutorial authority.

This one may bug Barr more than most though. He still wants to be recognized as a qualified attorney, but the profession may turn on him.

 

[Minoosh]

Trump's just making good on his promise to Erodgan, but now liberals are trying to spin this as a bad thing.

Erdogan? I'm not seeing the connection.

Now if the U.S. Attorney for Pennsylvania were to move against Gülen, that would be pretty scandalous.

 

[Bob001]

But Trump does this all the time. And he probably does have the legal authority to do it - those are patronage jobs, despite the thin fiction of an independent prosecutorial authority.
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What's different is that he was not appointed by Trump, but by federal judges.

“I was appointed by the judges of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York,” Mr. Berman said in his statement. “I will step down when a presidentially appointed nominee is confirmed by the Senate. Until then, our investigations will move forward without delay or interruption.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/19/nyregion/us-attorney-manhattan-trump.html

Essentially he's saying "You can't fire me because you never hired me." It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out.