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Split Thread Tearing Down Statues Associated With Racial Injustice

A George Washington statue was brought down with ropes in Portland, Oregon. An American flag was put over the head and burned.

I've heard of burning the flag but maybe this is a first with a flag burning on Washington's head.
 
Planigale speaks sooth.

(I had never heard about North African abductions from England and Ireland. Must google.)

Yeah, North African and Middle Eastern slavery as an economic force predates the Atlantic slave trade by a good bit. IIRC, the Middle East is still the larges beneficiary of slavery today, specifically in the form of sex slaves.
 
No, he wasn't. The original image was of a maitre de. It's part of a long advertising tradition of happily subservient black mascots, which largely went out of style around the time of the civil rights era.

A maitre de?

Show me a black maitre de in 1946.
 
Seriously, why polar bears, why not black bears or brown bears, they don't drink cola too?

Polar bears represent "ice cold coca cola" better than other bears. Also, polar bears are white and black or brown bears aren't. It's about racism. It's always about racism.
 
I never liked Petticoat Junction. Maybe that's why I think of Stalin when I hear "Uncle Joe"
I never chose to watch it. I just remember it being the program right before or right after Gilligan's Island which was the only show that really mattered to me. Well, that is after Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.

If I was stuck on an island those two would be my only TV. Marlin Perkins and Dawn Wells back-to-back all day long. FTW!
 
The term Maître d' is an error and shouldn't be a topic here. "Uncle Ben" the product picture guy, was a chef and also a waiter. A waiter is absolutely not a Maître d'.

Carry on if you choose to hunt the snipe.
 
I've done some more googling.

I had never heard of "Uncle Ben" as a racist image before this week. I heard about Aunt Jemima all the time. I wondered how she survived to this day. I never heard of Uncle Ben or the Cream of Wheat guy.

However, I have googled it and found complaints about Uncle Ben going back several decades, so it isn't some made up thing from recent history. I stand corrected.
 
In actual statue news, a couple of sports teams today announced that they would be removing statues of former owners because they used racial slurs in the 1970s.


Unlike statues of Columbus, I don't have much affinity for sports figures, and especially for owners. However, if I were a sports fan, I suppose I might be more interested. Whatever happens, you can't rename Wrigley Field. That's where I draw the line. You can take down any statues of Phil Wrigley, if they exist.
I don't know if Wrigley was racist. I'm just assuming that as a rich white guy in the early 20th century , he probably was.
 
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And as if on cue.....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...e-themed-flag-or-risk-losing-college-n1231502

(SEC threatens to cancel events in Mississippi if they don't take the Confederate battle flag out of their state flag.)

Already on its way out. This is from 2018.



Apparently approved as the "official" State flag in 1864 until 1906 when it upgraded to "not official" status.

The emblem adopted in 1894 remained the official state flag only until 1906 when a legal oversight resulted in the repeal of the law establishing it. In 1906, Mississippi adopted a revised code that included a provision that repealed all general laws that were not reenacted by the legislature or brought forward in the new code.

For some reason, which contemporary documents and records do not reveal, the compilers of the new code did not bring forward the law that created an official state flag and a coat of arms. Because of this oversight, which surely must have been inadvertent, the state of Mississippi does not have an official state flag.


http://www.mshistorynow.mdah.ms.gov/articles/105/flags-over-
 
Does the company know anything about this strange individual known as Uncle Ben?
I presume somewhere in the corporate history someone could find out who invented the fictitious character Ben and when and why. Ultimately, though, does it matter? Even if it should turn out on deep research that there really was an Uncle Ben and he was really good with rice and just happened to be black, it might still be worthwhile to change the brand if enough consumers consider him an inappropriate avatar for their rice, or if the company simply decides to do some insincere virtue signalling that they hope will appeal to people who might object to old Ben. If the rice is good enough the people who are sorry to see Ben go will probably buy the stuff anyway.
 
I had never heard of "Uncle Ben" as a racist image before this week.

Well, welcome to this week.

We have a cultural revolution in progress. Blink your eyes and you might miss something else this week. George Washington fell to the ground in Portland and he had a burning flag on his head. Did you ever hear of that before this week?

Don't even blink.
 
Question for anybody posting in this thread who believes that bad deeds don't outweigh a positive myth when it comes to historical figures - how do you feel about Christopher Hitchens' revelations about Mother Theresa, and of her continued existence as a symbol of all that is good and holy?
I've never considered her "good" or "holy" and said so when she was alive. A noxious person.
 
Well, welcome to this week.

We have a cultural revolution in progress. Blink your eyes and you might miss something else this week. George Washington fell to the ground in Portland and he had a burning flag on his head. Did you ever hear of that before this week?

Don't even blink.

Awesome.

Idiots.
 
Okay, sorry to interrupt the thread with a stupid question, but he's been brought up a couple times now, and I clearly must have missed the memo, what's wrong with Morrissey? I skimmed his Wikipedia page and didn't see anything that seemed overtly controversial or all that odd or different than any other "pop star".
He went hard right some time ago and spouted racist and ignorant nonsense, e.g Hitler was "left wing", immigration is evil (it destroys "British identity"), he poses with Union flags, says "England for the English" (the irony, it burns :rolleyes:) and uses fascist imagery, spouts Islamophobic bollocks (he's a big supporter of 'For Britain's' Anne Marie Waters), compares eating animal flesh is comparable to the Holocaust, refers to Chinese people as a "sub-species" et cetera.
 
Once again, how long before the New American Taliban decide it's time to subject Mount Rushmore to cannon fife?

Not to mention drums. I mean you can't have one without the other.

(I wasn't aware the American Taliban were so strongly influenced by the Scots, but you learn something every day at the old JREF.)
 

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