Ed The Madeleine McCann Case.

[LondonJohn]

I suspect that the posts of the past week or so - and especially over the past 24 hours - simply add more weight to the suppositions that a) no unconnected observer (eg all of us) can possibly truly know the real weight of evidence for (or against) this man being the abducter of Madeleine McCann, and b) the UK tabloid newspapers are very adapt at manipulating and sensationalising "information" about cases such as this, plus they have zero shame about performing spectacular reverse ferrets*


* For those unfamiliar with the term, a "reverse ferret" is a term coind within the UK tabloid newspaper industry (by then Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie IIRC) to describe the process of a newspaper opinionating on a particular subject, but then - almost always in the light of new evidence which contradicts the newspaper's claims - 1) switching its opinion to the diametrical opposite of its original and 2) acting as if this new opposite opinion was always its opinion on the subject.

 

[The Atheist]

I suspect that the posts of the past week or so - and especially over the past 24 hours - simply add more weight to the suppositions that a) no unconnected observer (eg all of us) can possibly truly know the real weight of evidence for (or against) this man being the abducter of Madeleine McCann...

Woohoo!

There is someone else who understands that.

Well played.

 

[catsmate]

Yes. So far I stand by all threads I started in this sub forum.

You post no information I have seen to challenge me,

I think this case looks strong against the suspect, but too soon for the noose I will concede.

I find it vanishingly unlikely the German police would be as pig ignorant as the Italians and the Portugese in these cases.

 

[catsmate]

Oh, the sweet irony in you posting that.

What this forum needs is a duck smiley.

 

[catsmate]

Nick Pisa is claiming that a European Arrest Warrant shows Brückner was kickstarting a drug dealing project in a North German resort, for which he was convicted, coinciding with when MM 'disappeared'.

Ah yes, the hack who compared leaking the Kercher's autopsy report to "having sex" and fabricated the "voodoo ritual" crap.

 

[Arcade22]

What concerns me is that this guy might well have done it, but if they can't get enough evidence to charge him that will leave the field open to the conspiracy theorists accusing the parents of murder in perpetuity.

I'm pretty sure that people could still consider them to be the real culprits even if this guy was convicted.

 

[The Atheist]

I'm pretty sure that people could still consider them to be the real culprits even if this guy was convicted.

I wouldn't go as far as saying "real" culprits, but they unquestionably deserve some of the blame, because it's very simple: if the girl wasn't left alone she wouldn't have been...[/insert theory here]

Unless they did it.

 

[wasapi]

I wouldn't go as far as saying "real" culprits, but they unquestionably deserve some of the blame, because it's very simple: if the girl wasn't left alone she wouldn't have been...[/insert theory here]

Unless they did it.

I do not believe they were guilty of physically harming her in any way. But you are right, they deserve some of blame.

Having said that, I have a feeling the couple will not only grieve over the death of their daughter for the rest of their lives, but they will suffer forever with their sense of guilt.

 

[Vixen]

Ah yes, the hack who compared leaking the Kercher's autopsy report to "having sex" and fabricated the "voodoo ritual" crap.

He is a commercial journalist. It is his job to write for the DM and now the SUN. He is a very good journalist IMV although as with any ongoing murder mystery case he has made one or two mistakes but over all it is a high standard. So he played the cockney wideboy in the dreadful nteflix film. He was just hamming it up. He's just like the guys I used to work with in the city. They come across as loudmouthed obnoxious morons but actually that is just a front. They were usually the best earners on the trading floor.

BTW Point of correction: it was Raffaele Sollecito's father who leaked the autopsy to Italian TV. Please check your facts.

 

[Vixen]

I suspect that the posts of the past week or so - and especially over the past 24 hours - simply add more weight to the suppositions that a) no unconnected observer (eg all of us) can possibly truly know the real weight of evidence for (or against) this man being the abducter of Madeleine McCann, and b) the UK tabloid newspapers are very adapt at manipulating and sensationalising "information" about cases such as this, plus they have zero shame about performing spectacular reverse ferrets*


* For those unfamiliar with the term, a "reverse ferret" is a term coind within the UK tabloid newspaper industry (by then Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie IIRC) to describe the process of a newspaper opinionating on a particular subject, but then - almost always in the light of new evidence which contradicts the newspaper's claims - 1) switching its opinion to the diametrical opposite of its original and 2) acting as if this new opposite opinion was always its opinion on the subject.

Like Robert Murat? From the police notes:

At about 20.00 the police received a phone call from a number that could not be identified, from a person with a female voice speaking in correct Portuguese, who did not want to be identified for reasons of safety. She refers to an individual who abducted Madeleine, who knows how to keep quiet and is quite close to the police. When asked who she was referring to she said it was an individual who resides in Praia da Luz, who has an English mother, who speaks this language very well, who was near the area since the disappearance of the little girl, supposedly with the intention of helping the investigation. She said this man was called Robert and that he used to consult Internet chats of a pretty heavy sexual nature. He would also use Internet for contacts with different acquaintances he had in other countries, especially in the UK. She said most of the mails he sent were encrypted due to the monitoring of the kind of content they possessed. This is why she wanted to alert the authorities about the characteristics of this man, who, in her opinion, could have sexual motives and opportunity, knowing the area perfectly for committing or collaborating in this type of crime.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm


All it needed was a DAILY EXPRESS reporter saying how suspicious she was of Murat and within days day after day we were fed 'convincing' 'evidence' this was the man what dunnit. He was brought in for intense questioning. His life was dissected apart. He was defamed. Painted as ultra-creepy. He must surely have been the dirty perv what abducted 'Maddie'.

When he was cleared of any connection, the nation went into a state of shock. So certain was everybody that it was him what dunnit.

So the tabloids blamed the silly Express reporter for being so hysterical.

Every so often we get this silly season.

 

[Elagabalus]

60 minutes (Australia)

 

[zooterkin]

60 minutes (Australia)

Clues?

 

[Elagabalus]

Clues?

Online conversations with other unsavories ...eh ... apparently. And some more info about his whereabouts and his "secret lair" in Germany. I haven't watched it all yet. I need to prepare for my post-viewing shower.

 

[Matthew Best]

Police are searching an allotment in Germany

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53541181

 

[LondonJohn]

Police are searching an allotment in Germany

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53541181

I'd very much doubt that the German police conducting this search are doing so in the belief that they might find Madeleine McCann's body: it would appear exceptionally unlikely that, if this man were involved in her abduction and murder, he'd transport her or her body back to Germany and bury her there.

I'd imagine that this police search is predicated on the intelligence (again assuming that the search is indeed in response to certain intelligence) that either a) something linked to the McCann abduction/murder is buried there (eg clothing), or b) buried there is something linked to an entirely different crime for which this man is under suspicion.

I might be wrong though, of course. However, I'd argue that- at this stage, and based on what we seem to know - the above is a much stronger likelihood.

 

[Vixen]

My theory as to why the police are digging up his allotment is two-fold. (Newsflash, it appears he once boasted of having a cellar* there.)

1. He is known to have buried a USB stick containing over 8,000 child porn images underneath the bones of his dog at his 'lair'. German police discovered this when they were investigating the disappearance of Inga Gehricke.
2. He is known to have set up a video of himself raping the 72-year-old woman, whilst wearing costume. It is feasible there may be similar images.

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Up to 100 investigators are today searching the allotment garden for a second day after removing slabs of building materials on Tuesday, when they descended on the plot with excavators and a sniffer dog.

Last month a former friend of Brueckner reportedly claimed the kidnap suspect told him he had a cellar he wanted to line with metal sheets 'like Josef Fritzl's'.

Brueckner - who is currently in jail in northern Germany - is suspected of killing Madeleine after she vanished from her Praia da Luz holiday apartment in May 2007, the same year that Brueckner lived at the allotment.

Mr Kossack said he only realised the link to Brueckner this week when police started digging up the allotment, saying: 'I remembered his face from the pictures in the news. And I remember his van and his dogs. I had completely forgotten about him up until then.'

So, together with Brueckner's brag that he knew how 'Maddie' died and his penchant for torture, sexual assault, paedophilia and expressed admiration for Fritzl (who kept his daughter locked up in an underground cellar), together with being 'pinged' in the vicinity of Ocean Club in Praia de Luz, we can see where the police are going with this. With Brueckner's long history of anti-social behaviour, he is likely the type of person who would act out his fantasies.

 

[Samson]

My theory as to why the police are digging up his allotment is two-fold. (Newsflash, it appears he once boasted of having a cellar* there.)

1. He is known to have buried a USB stick containing over 8,000 child porn images underneath the bones of his dog at his 'lair'. German police discovered this when they were investigating the disappearance of Inga Gehricke.
2. He is known to have set up a video of himself raping the 72-year-old woman, whilst wearing costume. It is feasible there may be similar images.

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So, together with Brueckner's brag that he knew how 'Maddie' died and his penchant for torture, sexual assault, paedophilia and expressed admiration for Fritzl (who kept his daughter locked up in an underground cellar), together with being 'pinged' in the vicinity of Ocean Club in Praia de Luz, we can see where the police are going with this. With Brueckner's long history of anti-social behaviour, he is likely the type of person who would act out his fantasies.

Which supports contensions the German police are far more professional than Portuguese or Italian.

 

[Vixen]

Which supports contensions the German police are far more professional than Portuguese or Italian.

How so? The fact this guy is a sociopath borderline criminal doesn't ipso facto follow that he took Madeleine.

 

[Samson]

How so? The fact this guy is a sociopath borderline criminal doesn't ipso facto follow that he took Madeleine.

This really does resemble a looking walking quacking duck.
And this is important because posters in my corner are accused of proclaiming all those arrested and convicted are innocent.
"We" seldom comment except where there is an obvious miscarriage of justice or on very few occasions, a flagrant breach of judicial process.

 

[Vixen]

This really does resemble a looking walking quacking duck.
And this is important because posters in my corner are accused of proclaiming all those arrested and convicted are innocent.
"We" seldom comment except where there is an obvious miscarriage of justice or on very few occasions, a flagrant breach of judicial process.

If the German police get a pass in your books because they are goody-gumshoes, let's remind ourselves that this looking walking quacking duck is also... a German. Whoops!