Split Thread Tearing Down Statues Associated With Racial Injustice

[JoeMorgue]

But why does it cost some people sleep either way? lol.

Everyone's saying well it doesn't bother me, it shouldn't bother you, regardless.

*Very slowly*

Because having racists caricatures staring at them from pancake and oatmeal packages every time they go shop for their Pop Tarts does bother some people.

You can't play the "Well if it doesn't bother me, it shouldn't bother you" card by not listening to the people it is bothering.

But as always the apologist are going to pitch hissy fits about bandwagoning and virtue signaling because I guess that just so much more important than getting rid of racism.

 

[William Parcher]

The Jemimah and Ben thing is just like the statue thing. They have to be taken down RIGHT NOW or else the outrage will only escalate.

The decision isn't about doing it or not doing it. The decision is about doing it today or tomorrow.

 

[JoeMorgue]

The Jemimah and Ben thing is just like the statue thing. They have to be taken down RIGHT NOW or else the outrage will only escalate.

The decision isn't about doing it or not doing it. The decision is about doing it today or tomorrow.

Yeah it's only 2020, what's the rush. Let's run Aunt Jemimah and Uncle Ben through 40 more years of hair splitting before we get rid of them.

 

[wareyin]

Nah, they're just removing the cartoonish image of Uncle Ben from rice packets because it has a calming influence on people.

People who stop in aisles in supermarkets, look at the smiling face of Uncle Ben staring at them from a sweet and sour sauce jar and immediately think of slavery are the same kind of people who play Grand Theft Auto and go out to punch their neighbour before stealing his car.

Uncle bloody Ben.

Huh, I guess I have to take my earlier statement back: You certainly seem outraged over this, so now I've seen someone outraged over it.

I can still say nobody was outraged over Uncle Ben or Aunt Jemima before Quaker Oats decided to change them. It's only those getting all outraged over their presumption that other people are outraged who ever got up in arms over this.

 

[Pixel42]

If a company's marketing department thinks there's any possibility whatsoever that their product's packaging is putting off potential customers of course they will change it. There doesn't need to be 'outrage', just a possibility of a few less sales.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Colgate reviewing Chinese toothpaste brand Darlie amid debate on racial inequality

Colgate-Palmolive (CL.N) on Thursday said it was working to review and evolve its Chinese toothpaste brand, Darlie, the latest in a string of brand reassessments amid a U.S. debate on racial inequality.

Darlie is a popular Chinese brand owned by Colgate and its joint venture partner, Hawley & Hazel. Its package features a smiling man in a top hat. It used to be called Darkie and featured a man in blackface.

Its current Chinese name still translates to “black person toothpaste.”

Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...mid-debate-on-racial-inequality-idUSKBN23P2B7

 

[wareyin]

So then a lizard people theory is just as likely to come from a Board of Directors meeting as would be a prevention of boycott theory?

Lizard people theory is equally plausible to your inevitable boycott theory. That didn't come from the Board of Directors, unless you have a seat there.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

*Very slowly*

Because having racists caricatures staring at them from pancake and oatmeal packages every time they go shop for their Pop Tarts does bother some people.

You can't play the "Well if it doesn't bother me, it shouldn't bother you" card by not listening to the people it is bothering.

But as always the apologist are going to pitch hissy fits about bandwagoning and virtue signaling because I guess that just so much more important than getting rid of racism.

*Very Slowly*

What's so inherently racist about Uncle Ben? I've asked that a few times, we're coming no closer to figuring it out beyond some vague excuse about the word "uncle" somehow relating to slavery.

 

[William Parcher]

If a company's marketing department thinks there's any possibility whatsoever that their product's packaging is putting off potential customers of course they will change it. There doesn't need to be 'outrage', just a possibility of a few less sales.

You said nothing about lizard people overlords and so wareyin's idea remains on the table.

 

[William Parcher]

Lizard people theory is equally plausible to your inevitable boycott theory. That didn't come from the Board of Directors, unless you have a seat there.

Wow, you are really something else.

 

[William Parcher]

*Very Slowly*

What's so inherently racist about Uncle Ben? I've asked that a few times, we're coming no closer to figuring it out beyond some vague excuse about the word "uncle" somehow relating to slavery.

Really, we should be getting the explanation directly from the corporation.

What do they say about Uncle Ben and racism?

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

But as always the apologist are going to pitch hissy fits about bandwagoning and virtue signaling because I guess that just so much more important than getting rid of racism.

Always an us versus them thing with you guys.

What about me? Handwringing Apologist. Those seem to be words more fitting for what you're doing and how you're acting, as opposed to me, mate.

Like I said to some other overly emotional guy the other day, if you genuinely look at what I post, and where I post, and can honestly claim I'm in any way in favour of promoting racism then you're simply too ignorant a person to bother to contemplate.

Getting rid of racism isn't what ridding Uncle Ben from a rice packet even does, or begins to do. We're as obsessed with racism now as we were decades ago, and the fuss over Uncle soddin' Ben only goes to prove that, IMO.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Huh, I guess I have to take my earlier statement back: You certainly seem outraged over this, so now I've seen someone outraged over it.

I can still say nobody was outraged over Uncle Ben or Aunt Jemima before Quaker Oats decided to change them. It's only those getting all outraged over their presumption that other people are outraged who ever got up in arms over this.

You're the one throwing your toys out of the pram at me yet again because I'm talking about how silly an uproar about Uncle Ben is. You're playing that game where you talk about how outraged everyone is when you conveniently opt to ignore the very fact that we're even discussing this silly topic at all because people are, in fact, outraged about Uncle Ben's image staring at them from a jar of sauce.

The excuse being given, from what I can tell, is all centered around the word "uncle." People are quite literally crying uncle, and you believe that I'm outraged.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Really, we should be getting the explanation directly from the corporation.

What do they say about Uncle Ben and racism?

Beats me, I'm honestly stumped about the supposed racial connotations of Uncle Ben beyond him being a black guy who is regarded as an uncle. I presume that that's enough for some people to throw their arms up in the air and cry injustice.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

If a company's marketing department thinks there's any possibility whatsoever that their product's packaging is putting off potential customers of course they will change it. There doesn't need to be 'outrage', just a possibility of a few less sales.

Business-wise, I get it, to a degree, because as you say, companies want to be accessible for everyone in order to maximize their sales and profits, yet I'm having trouble figuring out why they presume their mascot is in any way offensive to black people. Was this taken to a vote, did the black community care? Most black people I know personally use Uncle Ben's products without needing a therapist.

 

[pgwenthold]

Business-wise, I get it, to a degree, because as you say, companies want to be accessible for everyone in order to maximize their sales and profits, yet I'm having trouble figuring out why they presume their mascot is in any way offensive to black people. Was this taken to a vote, did the black community care? Most black people I know personally use Uncle Ben's products without needing a therapist.

How do you know? Did you take a vote? Or did you just presume they don't care because they didn't complain to you?

Besides, who cares? Why would it bother you if Uncle Ben is replaced?

This is back to the whole "it's no big deal that the pledge says 'under God'" crap again. So what's the big deal? No one pays attention, anyway! But if you suggest to take it away? Oh, the howls....

 

[JoeMorgue]

*Very Slowly*

What's so inherently racist about Uncle Ben? I've asked that a few times, we're coming no closer to figuring it out beyond some vague excuse about the word "uncle" somehow relating to slavery.

Black people don't have to put up with racism because you (pretend to) don't recognize it.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

How do you know? Did you take a vote? Or did you just presume they don't care because they didn't complain to you?

Besides, who cares? Why would it bother you if Uncle Ben is replaced?

This is back to the whole "it's no big deal that the pledge says 'under God'" crap again. So what's the big deal? No one pays attention, anyway! But if you suggest to take it away? Oh, the howls....

No, I've not taken a vote, you've basically just asked the same question I asked in the post you quoted, so... bit odd.

All I can say is none of my black mates seem to give two flying mongoose turds about Uncle Ben, they have busy jobs and social lives. I imagine me asking would go something like this...

You arsed about Uncle Ben, mate?
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...Nah, lol.

If you'd read my comments, I said I'm not bothered if they replace Uncle Ben at all, not that that should be the point, should it? The point should be: ain't this a bit ridiculous now? We just gonna look at the image of a black guy and find ways in which it's in some way racist? Amazing pastime, I prefer gardening.

 

[Darat]

Frankly, the Uncle Joe of Mint Balls fame is far too white, IMO, very cocky-looking with all of his many spearmint-scented privileges. I vote for a whitewash of Uncle Joe's Mint Balls.

You are as free as anyone else to try to get the company to listen to your wishes.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Black people don't have to put up with racism because you (pretend to) don't recognize it.

Joe, mate, I'm still waiting for you to explain how Uncle Ben is in any way, shape or form, racist.

If I claim that the image of Uncle Joe is racist, do I have a point? Yay? Nay? That other people can't see the racial connotations behind Uncle Joe doesn't mean that I can't.