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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 22

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Captain_Swoop said:
Breaking: A poll released by Trump University shows Trump ahead in all 72 States.

Hundreds of governors support him too
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abaddon said:
You really shouldn't do that. Some idiot Trump supporter will cite you as a source.
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This is something I wanted to do when Obama was POTUS. Start a rumor here, acknowledge that we are starting a rumor about Obama to see how far it could travel in the right-wing-blogsphere-twitterverse thingy.
 
dudalb said:
Frankly, if you are riggh then we are headed for a second civil war.
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What are the sides in the potential Civil War Episode II?
Antifa vs boogaloos? (Boogaloos being the all encompassing term for ammosexual right wing, "Come and take it!", Seal Team 6 LARPers...)

Those who are against the government being overbearing and are against the government not treating everyone equally vs people standing up for the government?

Or will the boogaloos just fight against Antifa, while, not necessarily, being on the government's side?
 
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The Don said:
You know that, I know that, but enough of the US population may not know that to make them think that Donald Trump is some kind of economic genius and hence forget all about the last few months. :mad:
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Here, I honestly think you are underestimating the general population. Remember, these are people who drive cars, work out their hose-hold budgets, hold jobs, etc. They may be deluded but they are not imbecile.

Hans
 
Craig4 said:
True, but we shouldn't get trapped into thinking that 2020 is 2016 all over again. There are other data points, like black and brown turn out in 2018 along with record turn out across most categories. Forty-six percent of respondents indicated last year that they would not vote for Trump no matter what. The key difference is that in 2016 voters in three states decided to give Trump and try and see what happens. Now they know what happens.

Biden could lose this still if his party confuses the rejection of Trump with the endorsement of the most extreme policy initiatives on the progressive wing's agenda.
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And, Trump is not what he used to be. We see that often enough. Remember, the crowds cheering him at rallies are in no way hard-core fans. They are fickle. Five to six years ago, none of them even considered Trump in a political context, but they were taken in by his charisma and non-conventional behavior.

Now, he is a shadow of himself, tired and stressed, all his jokes and slogans worn thin. Many of them may turn their backs to him.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
Here, I honestly think you are underestimating the general population. Remember, these are people who drive cars, work out their hose-hold budgets, hold jobs, etc. They may be deluded but they are not imbecile.

Hans
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On the other hand,

"No one in this world, so far as I know ... has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people." H.L. Mencken, "Notes on Journalism", Chicago Tribune, September 19, 1926.
 
MRC_Hans said:
Here, I honestly think you are underestimating the general population. Remember, these are people who drive cars, work out their hose-hold budgets, hold jobs, etc. They may be deluded but they are not imbecile.

Hans
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I'm retired after a forty year career as an engineer. In that time I met an astounding number of engineers who believed ridiculous stuff despite being totally competent at their jobs. Pretty much every conspiracy theory you can imagine, as well as fundamentalism and its subset, creationism.
 
Trebuchet said:
I'm retired after a forty year career as an engineer. In that time I met an astounding number of engineers who believed ridiculous stuff despite being totally competent at their jobs. Pretty much every conspiracy theory you can imagine, as well as fundamentalism and its subset, creationism.
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You and me both (well, 35 years for me).
 
Trebuchet said:
I'm retired after a forty year career as an engineer. In that time I met an astounding number of engineers who believed ridiculous stuff despite being totally competent at their jobs. Pretty much every conspiracy theory you can imagine, as well as fundamentalism and its subset, creationism.
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In my 20 year experience as a computer programmer, it seems like this way of thinking is rather rare on my side. Every time such a topic comes up it's derided, with a few exceptions.
 
Trebuchet said:
I'm retired after a forty year career as an engineer. In that time I met an astounding number of engineers who believed ridiculous stuff despite being totally competent at their jobs. Pretty much every conspiracy theory you can imagine, as well as fundamentalism and its subset, creationism.
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Did you ever speculate about why that is? After all, engineers, more than most people, live in a world of provable facts: If you get the numbers wrong the bridge falls down. Why doesn't that extend to other areas?
 
Bolton should absolutely publish and go to Court.
When Trump says "hey, that Ukraine Call was classified!", Bolton can say: "Oh yeah? Show me the transcript on the Server with the Classification".
 
Belz... said:
In my 20 year experience as a computer programmer, it seems like this way of thinking is rather rare on my side. Every time such a topic comes up it's derided, with a few exceptions.
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Now consider the users you've encountered...

My last boss was a nurse who believed the "blood is blue but turns red when exposed to oxygen" crap. A freaking nurse. There are idiots everywhere. It's the one resource we're in no danger of running short of.
 
Bob001 said:
Did you ever speculate about why that is? After all, engineers, more than most people, live in a world of provable facts: If you get the numbers wrong the bridge falls down. Why doesn't that extend to other areas?
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Pure speculation: in engineering an answer is correct or incorrect. Statements related to a CT sometimes have a element of truth in them even if the conclusion drawn from the statements is completely false. A different skill set is required.
 
Armitage72 said:
Every conversation?

"What did Trump order for lunch yesterday?"
"I can't tell you. It's classified."
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You think that's bad? Imagine being the poor bastard who's in charge of today's lunch order.

"Thanks for bringing me that Big Mac. Off to Leavenworth!"

"We lose more interns that way....."
 
MRC_Hans said:
Here, I honestly think you are underestimating the general population. Remember, these are people who drive cars, work out their hose-hold budgets, hold jobs, etc. They may be deluded but they are not imbecile.

Hans
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Even now he has 40% job approval (45% in a suspect Rasmussen poll). I don't think I'm underestimating the general population.

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Pretty much everyone I interact with socially has a degree or equivalent. I simply don't see enough of the bottom two quartiles to judge how competent and/or easily swayed they are.

Certainly overheard snippets of conversation in pubs are not encouraging. IIRC Captain Swoop inhabits pubs with similar clientele.
 
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