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Texas was also one of the first states to reopen. Again, many of their residents are paying a price.
I have a girlfriend in Texas who at one point identified as Libertarian and otherwise sees herself as pretty conservative, as is her ex-husband. They have a grown autistic son (actually diagnosis Landau-Kleffner syndrome, an epileptic disorder that wipes out speech centers and therefor much cognitive ability) and he will need care for life. They have agreed NOT to send him to his day program even though it relieves them of one of their biggest responsibilities, which is keeping their son somewhat occupied during large chunks of the day as he is completely nonverbal and engaging him in any activity is a high-maintenance proposition.

I gather they are not worried about themselves, even though they are nearing 70, but do not want their son exposed to pathogens due to re-opening public services before there is a solid evidence-based rationale for doing so.

Actually, her Libertarian streak took a hit decades ago when she realized that some problems don't lend themselves to being solved simply by assuming individual responsibility. You could say no one should reproduce unless they're willing and able to take on a lifelong responsibility carrying for a disabled adult. But she did have this son and needed services if she was going to continue to work (she has another son) and thus ensure health care for the family.

Now that she's retired, she and her ex are able to dedicate most of the day to caring for their son if the alternative is letting him participate in a state-run program that is not adequately addressing the safety of the disabled adults they serve.

I am interested in the group of Americans who pretty much support Trump while being dissatisfied with public policy that seems based on the hope that Covid 19 will just disappear, like a miracle. Or who are uneasy with the proposition that old people should be willing to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the economy. There was evidence Trump was losing support among older voters who were turned off by what seemed to be the general Republican message. I don't know if that's still true. I tend to ignore statistics indicating that Trump's support is slipping, because I'm very leery of numbers that reinforce what I want desperately to believe.
 
More devil's advocate here: how accessible are the "state testing centers"?

They are mostly walk in clinics.

In my case I can literally see the door from my window. I walked across the street with no referral, no appointment and no symptoms and got both tests in 10 minutes, results in 24 hours. My wife did a drive up test and results took 2 days.

Just to 100% clarify, where I live you do not need a referral or to qualify somehow to get a test.
 
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I don't know about where you are, but the testing issue has been reported on daily here on my local news coverage.

I'll see what I can find for you nationwide but I can guarantee you that HHS lackey was painting the situation in bright rose color.

Yes, the information is out there. I think that could probably be said about everything the media reports. The function of media is to take that information stream and condense it into something easily accessible to the average person who doesn't want to snatch it from various sources.

I gave the example of a couple of questions. How many tests can we do? I've seen web sites that give how many we are actually doing, updated daily. How many do we need to do? This is where the media falls flat on its face. that information is out there as well, and I've seen it reported sometimes, but every time I have seen it reported it has been in the context of a Trump statement. Trump says X, but expert says Y.

How about just skipping the Trump part sometimes? Putting him into the center of the story just confuses the issue. He's not a credible source anyway. That's sad, but I doubt I'll get much disagreement about that around here, and even in Trump-friendly editorials, they are more inclined to dodge than to actually claim Trump is right about anything related to the numbers.

Plus, he would blow a gasket if CNN just ignored him. I would love to see a daily coronavirus update from CNN that never mentioned Trump, ever. If absolutely necessary, mention some government officials.
 
Did you say you got a drive through test? Because none of what is posted on the link differs from what I posted.



The eTrueNorth site says this:



And: You can't just call for an appointment. You need a provider to order the test.



I didn't look into the "at-home test".
Yes, drive through test.

No phone call, registered through the website, printed the voucher, drove there, self-administered under guidance from outside the car, sealed it all up in the bag, handed it through the window.
 
I don't know if it is "the" problem, but it is "a" problem.

Stories abound of businesses with low wage employees who have been upset that the business reopened, because going back to work would mean a pay cut for them.
But is there any truth to this?
It is a common (and mostly incorrect) prejudiced opinion and I see that most of these type of stories are perpetuated by right-leaning media (surprise, surprise). For example.

I’d expect a number of people would be worried about going back to work and being exposed to infection due to their working conditions. It is not uncommon that people in low-income jobs are provided the least protection by their employers. The meat works outbreaks are a case in point, where working conditions endanger workers as far as COVID infections are concerned.
 
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The fed cited unemployment income as a major challenge for businesses reopening. In a couple of the regions Mostly in the East of the country it was cited by like 30% of businesses as a reason for reopening not going well or smoothly. Importantly - along with safety concerns.

fed beige book discussion
[barrons.com]

What really ticks me off is seeing the sneers and derision on the faces of these senators and business leaders and right wing pundits, incredulous that people would want to stay home for more money. The whole point of the bump in benefits was to give them an incentive to stay home and not work, and we did it well. That is a good thing. Flatten the curve. Why are you smirking at it now? Probably because they can’t imagine how 600 bucks could make a difference in someone’s life. Also, the fact that the entire employment compact has changed has seriously reduced loyalty and a lot of jobs. Lower-skill labor is going to behave as a fungible good opting for more money in a free market.
 
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Trump claimed today that Texas was "looking good" re Covid 19 and the governor had done a "fantastic job" on the same day that TX reported its highest number of Covid 19 hospitalizations ever. Yep, that some good looking numbers there, Donne.
 
The fed cited unemployment income as a major challenge for businesses reopening. In a couple of the regions Mostly in the East of the country it was cited by like 30% of businesses as a reason for reopening not going well or smoothly. Importantly - along with safety concerns.

fed beige book discussion
[barrons.com]

What really ticks me off is seeing the sneers and derision on the faces of these senators and business leaders and right wing pundits, incredulous that people would want to stay home for more money. The whole point of the bump in benefits was to give them an incentive to stay home and not work, and we did it well. That is a good thing. Flatten the curve. Why are you smirking at it now? Probably because they can’t imagine how 600 bucks could make a difference in someone’s life. Also, the fact that the entire employment compact has changed has seriously reduced loyalty and a lot of jobs. Lower-skill labor is going to behave as a fungible good opting for more money in a free market.
Link doesn’t work for me, a search gives me a paywalled story?
 
...How about just skipping the Trump part sometimes? Putting him into the center of the story just confuses the issue...

I think this is partially like doing a Goggle search. A lot depends on what you look at. I have posted I don't know how many news quotes in the thread -- this is my 217th post here -- and in the vast majority trump's not the center of the story. Heck, in most of them trump's not even mentioned.There are tons of news articles out there that go into great detail about the technology being used, quoting health officials, medical school professors, researchers. All kinds of stuff. But it's like the Google search. You have to click on it.

I don't know if it is "the" problem, but it is "a" problem. Stories abound of businesses with low wage employees who have been upset that the business reopened, because going back to work would mean a pay cut for them.

I went back to work last week but I'm working part-time. Yes, I took a pay cut and yes, I was hoping the shutdown would last until July. :o Having said that, I'm glad to be back at work. This long 'everything on hold' period, given all the other things that were going on, it got very stale. I really felt anxious and disoriented at times. A co-worker and I were discussing this at work today. He agreed; after the first couple weeks it felt weird!
 
I live in Oregon which has had an above 50% increase in cases and the second largest number of deaths of any county. Despite this, I saw several people today at the grocery store not wearing masks. I wanted to scream at them "Are you stupid or do you just not give a damn about anyone but yourselves?

I understand why people needed to go back to work and are tired of staying home, but why can't they do something as easy and simple as wearing a mask? Are they really stupid? Do they just feel invincible? Do they just not care? All three?

I don't know if anyone else mentioned this today, so excuse me if I am late to the party:

The FDA has revoked the emergency use of HCQ and CQ for Covid 19 treatment due to them not being effective and the risks outweighed any likely benefit. So much for them being "game changers" as Trump proclaimed.
 
Same here in Arizona. It varies between 0-50% at the grocery store. Doctor's offices a little better. The liquor store was 100%. Those are the only places I've been since Mar 1.

ETA: I was talking about mask usage if that wasn't clear.
 
In New York it's often close to 100% compliance from what I see. Ninety-plus for sure. With exceptions. From CBS News:
While restaurants have begun to open throughout the state with restrictions on capacity, they are still closed in New York City except for takeout only and bars are still closed statewide except for curbside service. Crowds have developed outside bars, especially in New York City, as the weather has become nicer. Cuomo said there have been 25,000 complaints to the state about businesses not complying with social distancing guidelines, although he did not give a timeframe for when the state received the complaints. Cuomo said the State Liquor Authority and a special task force is investigating, and he said he personally called some establishments that he believed violated the laws...Cuomo even tweeted "don't make me come down there" on Saturday in reaction to one video of bar patrons seen in Manhattan's East Village. CBS link

The Hamptons out in eastern Long Island were supposed to be another locale where the rules were mostly being ignored. Below is the scene on St. Mark's Place in Manhattan's East Village Friday night.
 

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Link doesn’t work for me, a search gives me a paywalled story?



Sorry - here’s a bit

$600 Unemployment Benefits Are Keeping People From Returning to Work said:
Even though the unemployment rate is expected to register over 20% for May in the jobs report the Bureau of Labor Statistics will release June 5, employers reported difficulty in hiring during the severe economic contraction resulting from the coronavirus shutdown.

“Contacts cited challenges in bringing employees back to work, including workers’ health concerns, limited access to childcare, and generous unemployment insurance benefits,” the Beige Book summary said.

In particular, the various Fed districts noted the impact of expanded unemployment benefits, including the extra $600 a week under the Cares Act.
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In the Philadelphia district: “When asked about impediments to recalling workers, 33 percent of the firms noted fear of infection and 25 percent noted lack of childcare; overcoming the lure of expanded unemployment benefits was noted by 29 percent of the firms.”

They named 4 other districts with this specific issue.
 
Yes, the information is out there. I think that could probably be said about everything the media reports. The function of media is to take that information stream and condense it into something easily accessible to the average person who doesn't want to snatch it from various sources.

I gave the example of a couple of questions. How many tests can we do? I've seen web sites that give how many we are actually doing, updated daily. How many do we need to do? This is where the media falls flat on its face. that information is out there as well, and I've seen it reported sometimes, but every time I have seen it reported it has been in the context of a Trump statement. Trump says X, but expert says Y.

How about just skipping the Trump part sometimes? Putting him into the center of the story just confuses the issue. He's not a credible source anyway. That's sad, but I doubt I'll get much disagreement about that around here, and even in Trump-friendly editorials, they are more inclined to dodge than to actually claim Trump is right about anything related to the numbers.

Plus, he would blow a gasket if CNN just ignored him. I would love to see a daily coronavirus update from CNN that never mentioned Trump, ever. If absolutely necessary, mention some government officials.
I would if Trump wasn't behind the false testing capacity claims.

I'm working in the field where the claims from the 'feds' didn't match at all what was happening on the ground.

Here are some numbers: NPR, June 1st: White House Coronavirus Testing Czar To Stand Down
When Giroir took charge, on March 12, there were only 5,247 tests done per day nationally.

By the end of May, there were around 400,000 tests done daily according to The COVID Tracking Project.
So that's after 2.5 months at a critical time in the US epidemic.

While that's a significant increase, some public health experts say that in order to safely reopen, as many as 900,000 daily tests may be needed.
2.5 months and tests were still at less than half that needed.


Here's what your article says:
At the beginning of March, there were fewer than 1,000 tests in the country on most days. By the end of March, there were more than 100,000 a day. The number climbed again before hovering somewhere around 150,000 a day for much of April.

Then it bumped up again, to more than 200,000 at the end of the month. It surpassed 400,000 for the first time on May 17. On May 29, it was nearly 500,000. It’s been in the range of 400,000 to 500,000 most days since, with a high of more than 580,000 just this just Friday.

More than 23 million tests have been run altogether, more than 3 million over just the last week. In April, 32 million tests were produced, and in May, 39 million, with the trajectory further upward. Giroir expects to be able to perform 50 million tests per month by September.
Those numbers don't match.

400,000 end of May vs May 17
500,000 end of May

Then the general goes off into the millions because that sounds great.

50 million tests a month by September? That's 3 months from now. La te da.

And you think this was a plan:
The White House had the idea of opening hundreds of ambitious mobile testing sites at the outset of the coronavirus crisis. But there was a problem: Officials quickly realized that creating that many sites would use up an inordinate amount of the nation’s limited supply of testing swabs.
It's not a plan, it's imagining one has a plan. Honestly, who didn't implement as many testing sites as possible given the availability of testing supplies and techs to administer the test?

He makes it sound like 'planning' and you complained the news media didn't report on this positive news. No surprise considering this is the National Review though I'm surprised they aren't currently dissing Trump:
The Media Focused Solely on Failure
There has been a lot of media attention, and justifiably so, on the initial CDC and FDA foul-ups and the initial overpromising on testing. But as the administration moved beyond that and pursued a considered but urgent approach to testing, the media persisted in harsh critiques that betrayed a misunderstanding of what was really happening.

The media often insisted that there was no testing plan, simply because the plan wasn’t centralized enough, a line of attack pursued by Democrats as well.
They admit right there the negative news reports were valid.

The criticism of the media gets very partisan:
Vox deemed April, just as the country was on the cusp of an enormous increase in testing, a “lost month.” The publication interviewed an expert who insisted, “Testing is not going to be resolved until the federal government takes ownership of expanding it; as long as they keep kicking it to the states, we will remain stuck.”

(The day the piece was published, the U.S. performed 273,000 tests; a little more than a week later, it performed more than 360,000.)
The 'feds' were kicking it to the states. What was the news media supposed to report?


This is what Vox reported:
Despite some gains in March on health care capacity and testing, the US failed to capitalize on social distancing throughout April to continue scaling up measures and get the coronavirus under control.
So it wasn't just about testing that they were referring to when they said April was a lost month.

More about the "stalled April":
In April, that progress seemed to stall out. In the last week of April, the US averaged around 220,000 tests a day — not much of an improvement from the roughly 150,000 a day that it reported during the first few weeks of the month, and far from what experts say is needed to control the outbreak

How was the Vox story all about the negative when there was a positive story out there? General what's his face figured out the difference between manufacturers and distributors. :rolleyes: How is this guy a general that he thinks this is a big revelation?

Amateur hour and they are bragging about their revelations and accomplishments. From where I stand that is what I see.
 
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Sorry - here’s a bit

They named 4 other districts with this specific issue.
So childcare, fear of infection and the lure of unemployment.

Yet the GOP only sees the unemployment.

But if you are offered your old job back and you refuse it, you lose your unemployment. Those employers are going to report workers refusing to come back to work.

So are the employers saying they can't hire people because said people aren't applying? Then how do they know it is because of expanded benefits?

There are holes in this story.
 
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