PartSkeptic’s Thread for Predictions and Other Matters of Interest

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It's now five weeks since PartSkeptic agreed to do a simple blind test of his claim to be able to tell whether or not the wifi is switched on from his physical symptoms.
 
abaddon said:
That is what is so irrational about all of this. Here I am awash in a sea of emf for decades. Yet I have have never experienced a headache. I peripherally know a little about them since my sister suffers migraines, but that is the extent of what I know about what headaches are like. just her descriptions.

That said, I have been on serious prescription painkillers in the past. Three times.

1. when I had all four wisdom teeth removed under general. I gave up on those because I wasn't really in any particular pain.
2. Post surgery after a bilateral inguinal hernia. I gave up on those because I was not in any particular pain.
3. When they reconstructed my shattered ankle with titanium plates and nuts and bolts. Gave up on those too. Wasn't feeling any particular pain.

Otherwise, in terms of pain, I have had biopsies for melanoma. Even under local that hurt like hell. Three deep biopsies on my leg requiring stitches/ After being held in recovery for about an hour I was given yet another prescription for military grade painkillers. I took none of them, I got up, walked out to the carpark, jumped in my car and drove home.

So am I some kind of hero? Don't make me laugh. I am no hero.

What I am saying is that subjective descriptions of experienced pain are rather oddly inconsistent.
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I am back after 2-3 days of pain that left me unable to get out of bed.

Last week. 3 days at new home. No headaches.
Saturday - tower house - w/headshield - 1pm to 2 pm. Headache from 3pm to 4pm.
Sunday - tower house - with headshield and bodyshield - 9am to 12pm. Headache from 4 pm tp 8pm.
Mon, Tue, Wed. Avoided going out. No headaches.
Thur - at 9am I took the garage out to the street. No shielding. Headache started at 3pm. Got really bad. In bed at 6pm no dinner. Wife wanted to take me to hospital. Took 3rd pain tablet at 5 pm.
Fri. Headache most of the day. Took 3 pain tablets, and slept most of the day. Some what better at 6pm.
Sat. Today. No headache. Have taken 2 pain tablets so I can get some work done.
I guess no one sees a correlation or a pattern.

BTW - The electrician and his helper went to the doctor and both were told to rest and stay home for five days because they were quite ill.
No correlation, huh?


I used to say "No Brain, No Pain." I am particularly sensitive to both touch and to pain. Anesthestics often don't work until after the operation. Because I wanted to avoid the pain of needles I have dentistry done without anesthetic. Because I had an early bad experience of constipation due to hospital pain injections, and because my parent were so against pills, I ask for minimal post-op anesthetic and stop pain tablets after a day. Did the same for the two recent knee operations and my nose operation.

I burn out any growths with a soldering iron. No alcohol or tablets. One growth I overdid it and took out a area of 30 mm and 4mm deep. Had to have surgery to fix the damage.

I had a smashed fist pulled straight without anesthetic. The ER doctor had a hard time believing I could endure the pain. I did turn white and had to put my head between my legs for a minute.

There is pain and there is PAIN. Headaches and nausea that are non-stop are very difficult to ignore. So is full body fibromyalgia - every muscle everywhere. I can stop the pain tablets - but then I cannot function.

If I did not have pain tablets I would seriously consider suicide. In fact I have. I believe that people have to endure the suffering they have on earth. I know it stops if I have no emfs. It seems I have to improve the shielding in our new home, and also wear reflective clothing. And take a holiday no and then to places with no emfs.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Sorry to hear that. My father and grandfather both had it. I am hoping I didn't inherit their genes. Any time I forget how to spell a word or can't remember something it scares me.

They say that exercising your brain helps to slow the decline. So now is a good time to think more rationally!
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Thanks for the sympathy. The neurologist told me to learn a language. The problem is finding the time because I only have a few functional hours during a normal working day. And I have projects and commitments. It does not scare me. But I struggle to spell and I struggle to remember words and names that I should not be having problems with.

I accept that what will be will be. I have been through so much that one more issue is not frightening. I just do not want to be a burden to others, and I hope they will assist me to terminate if it gets too bad.

Where have I made irrational statements? Ones that clearly contradict themselves? You may reject my position on the harm that emfs can do but that is not irrational because there are hundreds of scientists who work in microbiology and associated fields who are in agreement that cell-emfs are getting more harmful, and they agree on the mechanisms.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
More fail. Many smokers don't die of lung cancer because another known effect of smoking kills them first.

Smoking Fast Facts

Equating smoking with EMF is silly. One causes obvious harm through mechanisms that agree with science, the other does not. One has statistics backing this up, the other does not. Only ignorant lay people suffering from severe confirmation bias believe that low level EMF has any health effects, and they have no evidence to support their delusions.
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The curve for the number of people smoking and the number of people with lung cancer is remarkably similar - just a delay of two decades. It is an argument used by scientists for their emf concern. Apart from my own experiences, I have thoroughly researched the both the studies showing harm and the various sciences that are involved so I can understand the basics and why methods used.


The evidence is there. How can it be a delusion if the science says that harm is being done? What I find hard to believe is that posters here reject the studies.
 
PartSkeptic said:
BTW - The electrician and his helper went to the doctor and both were told to rest and stay home for five days because they were quite ill.
No correlation, huh?
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Do you mean 'no causation'?
Quite ill with what? Growths on the forehead, or another symptom from your long list of claimed effects, or something else?
I thought it took months to become 'sensitised' to EMFs? How have your electrician and his helper been struck down so quickly?
Have you tried staying home and resting for 5 days yourself?
 
Pixel42 said:
It's now five weeks since PartSkeptic agreed to do a simple blind test of his claim to be able to tell whether or not the wifi is switched on from his physical symptoms.
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If I am getting headaches from going out among cell towers and to the tower house and those headaches are delayed until the pain tablets I take at 7 am wear off, how can I get a decent result?

I will have to stay home for two days while only taking one pain tablet at 7am and then do a test at 4 pm. I might even do one today. (Just realized I cannot. I took a second pain tablet at 11am.)

It is quite clear that doing the box test at the house would give the most positive result because it hammers me so badly in even a short time. I just do not have the time or the inclination. Mocking me for not doing the test is no motivation at all. I think I will just get all sorts of reasons as to why it is a fail despite the results.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
When you put in enough IR to physically BOIL a cell, and lets generously assume that with 'double bonds' you mean the hydrogen bonding between bases, not the double bonds IN a nucleotide, as IR cannot damage those



If you put in enough energy, so can NIR



Factually wrong, even cancer caused by ionizing radiation has various mechanisms that can lead to the damage, of which the incorrect base pairing.



Wrong, as cells damaged by IR are cooked and thus dead and incapable of propagating



Correct, as see 4



Non sequitor



Yes, it's the logic you keep using, even though with every post you show to be oblivous to the fact that you lack the knowledge of both radiation and genetics to work things out.
Just because something can damage DNA does not mean it will cause cancer.
The energy needed to damage DNA by the radiation used in wifi and 5G is so high that the cells will be destroyed and non-functional long before the DNA is damaged.
This is also the case for said radiation and influencing other things in a cell.

As I've mentioned before, if your theories were right, we'd be using them in genetics as, if nothing else, they are way cheaper than using ionizing radiation to mutate DNA. But noone does. Because it does not work.
And I'm sure in your paranoid world that means that millions of people are being payed of by 'them' to keep silent.
If that's the case, can you direct me to the address I can use to get my money?
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At least you put in the effort to respond.

I will put in the effort to rewrite the statements. I did not realize that someone could just take reasonable real-life values and events and take them to extremes so that the statement is invalid. If one conducted these in the inside of the sun they are then false. Go to the edge of a Black Hole and most physical laws break down. :boggled:

Do you see why I persist here? I never imagined that I could get some of the arguments that I see on this thread. They are beyond rational and reasonable thought.
 
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PartSkeptic said:
I guess no one sees a correlation or a pattern.
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The pattern is clear: remaining quietly at home vs subjecting yourself to the stress and anxiety of going out, especially to somewhere you have convinced yourself is a toxic environment.

This pattern supports the high blood pressure hypothesis, with the headaches apparently correlated with a return to normal after a spike. One way to test this hypothesis would be to measure your blood pressure regularly whilst also recording your pain level, and then compare the two. This could potentially be blinded if your blood pressure is taken by someone else, so you don't know what it is until both sets of data are compared.

There are, of course, many other hypotheses which could be formulated based on this pattern: perhaps your trips out are exposing you to a toxin - a chemical, a plant, it could be almost anything. A more worrying possibility is that you have an organic brain problem which is exacerbated by anxiety, and which might also be causing your Alzheimer-like symptoms, though I would hope that possibility was ruled out by scans when you were first diagnosed.
 
Uh.

Full body fybromyalgia?

You of course (I hope) realise that fybromyalgia headaches are a thing?

Any other ailments you'd like to list? This is the equivalent of taking a car to the mechanic and saying it's not running properly when the radio plays, while in actual fact there is no oil in the gearbox, the petrol filter has not been changed in years and a family of mice has set up camp in the carburettor.
 
PartSkeptic said:
If I am getting headaches from going out among cell towers and to the tower house and those headaches are delayed until the pain tablets I take at 7 am wear off, how can I get a decent result?
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You are still assuming that your hypothesis as to the cause of your headaches is correct. That is what this test is actually going to establish. You might be barking up the wrong tree entirely, and extending the period during which you are suffering unnecessarily. That's why you need to be prioritising doing the test rather than looking for excuses to put it off which, frankly, is what you seem to be doing.

Stop taking pain killers pre-emptively (which as others have pointed out is a silly, even dangerous, thing to be doing) and stay home for a couple of days. Then do a couple of trials a day for three days. You should be doing nothing else (are these trips out really necessary?) until you have evidence either way for your hypothesis. Then, and only then, can you reasonably decide your next course of action.
 
If Moses was this full of whiny excuses, his name wouldn't have echoed across the millennia. Liebman's Deli would be named Ahmad's, and there wouldn't be mahtza brei on the menu.

(Oh wait, that's not so funny considering previous commentary about Jews. You know, those sluts who invited rape, yet remain incapable of self reflection over their slutty behavior.)
 
Just because:

James Clerk Maxwell was born on this day in 1831. He showed that electric and magnetic fields are aspects of a single phenomenon, determined the equations that govern it, and concluded that light and other forms of radiation are electromagnetic waves.
 
PartSkeptic said:
Do you see why I persist here? I never imagined that I could get some of the arguments that I see on this thread. They are beyond rational and reasonable thought.
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No. You need a better argument than, "I'm so very smart and you all are so obviously irrational."

People are giving you well-considered reasons why they disagree with your claims, sometimes from a position of professional expertise. You brush them off without addressing them, claiming that they're "obviously" irrelevant or amateur. Then you try to steer the discussion back to your pre-arranged talking points: ham-fisted ploys to straw-man your critics. This scripted debate has obviously been cribbed from advocacy literature, not -- as you fervently purport -- derived from some exercise on your part to become legitimately proficient in the relevant fields. Then you get angry when your critics don't actually play the villains your sources tell you they are. The actual criticism of your claims that is being presented is not "beyond...reasonable thought," as a court is making you painfully aware.

Nobody is pleased to hear that you're in pain. But you need to read the room. This is not a palliative support group. If that's what you're looking for, find a sympathetic forum that doesn't care about you also pretending to be a scientist. If you want to talk about what makes good science, don't bias the discussion with your personal problems and pollute it with politics. The incessant, "poor, poor me!" got old a long time ago as crutch to lean on when your facts and reasoning fail you.

Specifically, your performance here vacillates between bemoaning your station and railing against "bad" science in a way that spackles gaps in one argument with elements from the other. This is unfair, and frankly childish. Since you've chosen to present your problem to skeptics, people are telling you what to do in order to conduct a valid scientific experiment to test the suspected cause of your pain. At every step you undermine that test. It seems that your presentation here is not an intellectual exercise to test a hypothesis. It seems instead to be a theatrical offering where you prefer to continue wallowing in pain for whatever sympathy you think you can get (including excoriation for not getting enough). Rather than take responsibility for your future, you've woven a narrative that blames everyone else for your present. And you're looking to cast that drama with unwilling actors. It adds insult to injury to pretend that you're the one being "scientific" about all this and that your critics are irrational and unreasonable. This is a very shabby way to treat the legitimate attempts to help you based on the tenets this forum is based on.
 
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EvilBiker said:
Just because:

James Clerk Maxwell was born on this day in 1831. He showed that electric and magnetic fields are aspects of a single phenomenon, determined the equations that govern it, and concluded that light and other forms of radiation are electromagnetic waves.
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It is impossible to overestimate Maxwell's contribution to science.
 
JayUtah said:
It is impossible to overestimate Maxwell's contribution to science.
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Fully agree.

To add, your prior post covers something I was going to say, but which you did eloquently: I don’t think PS actually realises what this forum is about.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Do you mean 'no causation'?
Quite ill with what? Growths on the forehead, or another symptom from your long list of claimed effects, or something else?
I thought it took months to become 'sensitised' to EMFs? How have your electrician and his helper been struck down so quickly?
Have you tried staying home and resting for 5 days yourself?
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The two guys spent a lot of time in the roof. The direct radiation is the highest there. The foil on the ceiling reflects the radiation upwards. They, in effect, get a double dose. I expect the high dose over 12 days may have reduced their immune systems.

At least you have one fact right. Sensitization is a matter of dose and duration - as well as underlying predispositions such as chemical sensitivities. I wonder how long it would take if one spent a few hours each day close the antennae?
 
EvilBiker said:
Uh.

Full body fybromyalgia?

You of course (I hope) realise that fybromyalgia headaches are a thing?

Any other ailments you'd like to list? This is the equivalent of taking a car to the mechanic and saying it's not running properly when the radio plays, while in actual fact there is no oil in the gearbox, the petrol filter has not been changed in years and a family of mice has set up camp in the carburettor.
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Do you realize that the medical definition of fibromyalgia is "pain without a cause"?

https://www.webmd.com/fibromyalgia/fibromyalgia-creating-treatment-plan
Fibromyalgia is a complicated condition. It has no specific causes and no known cure. Yet for those who have it -- as many as one in 50 Americans -- the chronic pain, fatigue, and psychological strain of fibromyalgia are all too clear.

All the medical specialists accept that I have pain all over. They do not dismiss emfs anymore, but they are focused on relieving the pain.

I know I can get relief by going to an emf free area. I will do so once the sale of our old house goes through. I have been doing so for a few years.
 
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