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Split Thread Tearing Down Statues Associated With Racial Injustice

Question for anybody posting in this thread who believes that bad deeds don't outweigh a positive myth when it comes to historical figures - how do you feel about Christopher Hitchens' revelations about Mother Theresa, and of her continued existence as a symbol of all that is good and holy?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Therefore the correct response is to shrug and say "yes, I understand that racism is inherent in the system, but that's just something you're going to have to learn to live with I'm afraid! What can you do?"?



The evidence certainly seems to suggest that after centuries of being marginalised and ignored the past few weeks of taking direct action may be instrumental in effecting positive change.



Yes, and when they brandish them, the system falls over backwards in support. See, for example, Ahmaud Aubrey.
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In answer to your first query- that might have a certain reality to it whether fair or not.

In any system designed to do the greatest good for the greatest number, being a minority is likely to put one at a disadvantage, no?
 
Okay, sorry to interrupt the thread with a stupid question, but he's been brought up a couple times now, and I clearly must have missed the memo, what's wrong with Morrissey? I skimmed his Wikipedia page and didn't see anything that seemed overtly controversial or all that odd or different than any other "pop star".
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Question for anybody posting in this thread who believes that bad deeds don't outweigh a positive myth when it comes to historical figures - how do you feel about Christopher Hitchens' revelations about Mother Theresa, and of her continued existence as a symbol of all that is good and holy?
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In what way? She was a loopy **** from history, but is still a historical figure.

Do you want her wiped from it?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Question for anybody posting in this thread who believes that bad deeds don't outweigh a positive myth when it comes to historical figures - how do you feel about Christopher Hitchens' revelations about Mother Theresa, and of her continued existence as a symbol of all that is good and holy?
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I detest Mother Teresa. She was far from a positive myth. Evil personified.

But would I be part of a destruction of any monument to her? No. Apart from the fact that destruction would not change my opinion of her, others get comfort from her image.

Just like Jesus Christ and Muhammad.

Seriously, don’t you get that you can detest somebody or something without wanting to destroy monuments to them?

Mob rule and enabling it disgusts me.
 
lionking said:
I detest Mother Teresa. She was far from a positive myth. Evil personified.

But would I be part of a destruction of any monument to her? No. Apart from the fact that destruction would not change my opinion of her, others get comfort from her image.

Just like Jesus Christ and Muhammad.

Seriously, don’t you get that you can detest somebody or something without wanting to destroy monuments to them?

Mob rule and enabling it disgusts me.
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This is less extreme than Cullenz's, but it's still not an answer to the question that I asked.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
This is less extreme than Cullenz's, but it's still not an answer to the question that I asked.
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Tbf your question isn't that clear. Mother Teresa was a nut burger, but she is part of history and is lauded in some places so what it the point in knocking stuff down.

What is your actual question
 
I really don't get it sorry.

Does knocking a statute down of some one suddenly wipe them from history books?

Do people want to then rewrite history books?

It is a bit silly
 
Mike! said:
Okay, sorry to interrupt the thread with a stupid question, but he's been brought up a couple times now, and I clearly must have missed the memo, what's wrong with Morrissey? I skimmed his Wikipedia page and didn't see anything that seemed overtly controversial or all that odd or different than any other "pop star".
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He's long been associated with the far right. He once called the Chinese a "subspecies", he wore the badge of and advocated on his website for a political party that even Nigel Farage considered to be full of fascists, he's had several anti-immigration rants invoking the far right rhetoric of losing British cultural identity, he's gone to bat for neo-Nazi Tommy Robinson, he supported both Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein by claiming that their (underage, in Spacey's case) victims were to blame for being raped, and other things of that ilk.
 
cullennz said:
I really don't get it sorry.

Does knocking a statute down of some one suddenly wipe them from history books?

Do people want to then rewrite history books?

It is a bit silly
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You're right. That is silly. That's why it's odd that you've decided that that is what people are saying, despite there being pages upon pages of people saying the exact opposite.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
You're right. That is silly. That's why it's odd that you've decided that that is what people are saying, despite there being pages upon pages of people saying the exact opposite.
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Then I would suggest rephrasing the question.

As the last was a bit pants
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
He's long been associated with the far right. He once called the Chinese a "subspecies", he wore the badge of and advocated on his website for a political party that even Nigel Farage considered to be full of fascists, he's had several anti-immigration rants invoking the far right rhetoric of losing British cultural identity, he's gone to bat for neo-Nazi Tommy Robinson, he supported both Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein by claiming that their (underage, in Spacey's case) victims were to blame for being raped, and other things of that ilk.
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Okay, fair enough. None of that is on his wiki page, and being an old fart, I knew little of him beyond being The Smiths front man. Thanks!

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

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So how long before Mount Rushmore is subjected to cannon fire?
 
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It sounds like you need to sit down, hug yourself, and listen to some Morrissey. Old Morrissey.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Question for anybody posting in this thread who believes that bad deeds don't outweigh a positive myth when it comes to historical figures - how do you feel about Christopher Hitchens' revelations about Mother Theresa, and of her continued existence as a symbol of all that is good and holy?
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1. Mother Teresa was a monster.

2. That isn't the discussion.
 
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