Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 22

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Bob001 said:
Cops admitted "deflating" tires. Sure sounds like it was planned and approved.
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I find it so amazing that there are so many cases of police brutality/over-reach during these protests... Cops deflating tires, pushing protesters to the ground, etc.

You can understand Trump screwing up... He is a complete moron. But you would figure the cops would be smart enough to engage in some self-preservation. To realize that they are under a microscope right now, and any sort of abuses are going to make their critics say "look I was right .. cops are bad".

It's like a husband who agrees to marriage counseling, then tries to seduce the counsellor's secretary.





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Segnosaur said:
He does? I find that surprising.

I just figured he made up stuff rather than finding actual real dirt on people. You know... Like his big planned reveal of Obama's birth.

If he could find dirt on other people maybe he would actually be more successful.
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That's the thing about blackmail material - it's only really useful if you can hang it over people's heads and don't drive them completely into a corner. Strategically, that also involves saving it until it can be used in a particularly useful way. To add a little context in the form of a current example, there's a male sex worker that's apparently working to gather other male sex workers who also were hired by a particular Republican senator who he claims to have hired pretty much every such sex worker that he's asked and see whether they can speak out despite NDAs. If true, it would be no surprise at all for not particularly savory investigators to have gotten at least one of the many to spill the beans at some point and for those who hired them to be able to blackmail the Senator with that. As long as both sides keep it quiet, it's still useful as blackmail. Trump loudly talking about it would remove its usefulness.

All that birtherism stuff was something completely different, of course. That wasn't dirt. That was mudslinging.
 
Segnosaur said:
I find it so amazing that there are so many cases of police brutality/over-reach during these protests... Cops deflating tires, pushing protesters to the ground, etc.

You can understand Trump screwing up... He is a complete moron. But you would figure the cops would be smart enough to engage in some self-preservation. To realize that they are under a microscope right now, and any sort of abuses are going to make their critics say "look I was right .. cops are bad".

It's like a husband who agrees to marriage counseling, then tries to seduce the counsellor's secretary.
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If you've got about a half hour, John Oliver does a decent job in summarizing or at least touching on a bunch of what's going on with that. There's plenty more observations that can be poked at, though. For example -


Yes, American police act like occupying armies. They literally studied their tactics

The founders of modern policing quelled foreign uprisings. ‘Demilitarizing’ police will be harder than taking away their tanks


ETA: Right, I meant to respond to this, too.

Giordano said:
I never thought we would have an overt racist in a modern USA administration. But to put him forward to “help“ deal with our current crisis is bizarre beyond comprehension. Has Trump decided that a race/civil war is the way to his re-election?
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Unlikely. If Trump is, in fact, actually seriously pushing for a race/civil war, it's not for the sake of re-election. If he is, it's either as grounds for a coup or an attempt to inflict as much damage to the US as possible on his way out. Rather than seriously pushing for a race/civil war, though, it's fairly likely that he's doing something akin to what he does at his rallies. Working to reflect the worst of people for the maximum amount of momentary adulation and cheers that he can get from them at that moment and "supporting" his supporters, much like the "liberate X" tweets.
 
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timhau said:
Does he have the credibility (with anyone outside his base) to pull that through?
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IMO yes, as long as it is repeated endlessly it will convince enough people outside his base to make a difference.

Heck, name recognition alone could be enough.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The protests may finally be putting a significant dent in Trump's support
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I'll believe it if it lasts.

People who could be willing to support President Trump are probably quite malleable and will change their mind back once the media they are exposed to reminds them what a great job The President has done. :rolleyes:

"Good people on both sides" caused his numbers to dip, but they recovered soon enough when people decided that, in retrospect, they were OK with a President who didn't mind neo-Nazis :mad:
 
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MRC_Hans said:
Cell phones have a lot of receivers, but ... dedicated. They have what needed for the cell phone communication, Bluetooth, GPS, WiFi, near-field, and FM band. (Yes, you can listen to FM band on your phone, unless it is truly ancient.) But it can't tune in on all kinds of other communication bands.


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I had no idea they have FM.
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Some do, some don't. Some might have the circuitry which would allow FM reception, but do not have it enabled.

One thing MTC_Hans has backwards is that it wasn't more unusual on older phones. It has instead been becoming less common on newer phones. Especially on newer flagship phones, which one might expect to have more bells and whistles, not fewer.

This article has a good discussion on the subject, and also lists the 2019 and 2020 smartphones which come equipped ... and able ... to let you listen directly to OTA FM. It's a rather paltry list, especially for 2020.
 
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Great work in the Republican Senate on some big nominees. Still 154 to go, hope they don’t adjourn until the job is done!
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“Republican AGs come out in force against defunding police”

Republican attorneys general across the country are pushing back on calls to defund law enforcement agencies in the wake of the protests over police brutality and racial injustice
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Segnosaur said:
I find it so amazing that there are so many cases of police brutality/over-reach during these protests... Cops deflating tires, pushing protesters to the ground, etc.

You can understand Trump screwing up... He is a complete moron. But you would figure the cops would be smart enough to engage in some self-preservation. To realize that they are under a microscope right now, and any sort of abuses are going to make their critics say "look I was right .. cops are bad".
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What this demonstrates is that they really just don't care. They don't give a damn who knows how abusive and out of control they are.They don't care that it is increasingly immortalized in videos.

This is the measure of their arrogance and sense of invulnerability to any retribution or accountability.

Until cops are held to the same standards as everyone else, limited to the same legal defenses, and convicted and incarcerated with the same penalties and regularity they will continue to act as if they have a level of privilege and immunity which makes them all but completely free from any normal constraints.

Because they're right. They do.
 
The police are there for "law and order," not to protect civilians. Any slight deviation can be seen as breaking the law. Especially resisting arrest. Whether there is any proof of your crime or not.
 
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The Don said:
"Good people on both sides" caused his numbers to dip, but they recovered soon enough when people decided that, in retrospect, they were OK with a President who didn't mind neo-Nazis :mad:
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With that one, it was just vague enough for the usual suspects to spin it so it didn't sound so bad, if you were motivated to find a reason to let him off the hook.

But these protests, and his responses, are a lot harder to spin. He literally had peaceful protesters driven away from a church at the same time he was claiming to love peaceful protest. He's also writing obviously BS CTs about an old man being shoved to the ground by the cops, when we can all see the video of what really happened. That sort of crap is a lot harder to spin. There's no reasonable-seeming excuse to let him off the hook. You either accept reality or accept his lies. That's qualitatively different.
 
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