Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

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quadraginta said:
It's not that simple. You have to be really, really rich to get to the zero tax bracket. The less money you get the more of it will go to taxes.
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Not if you're a federal territory. Then you have no federal taxes, which includes the income tax.

You also have no representation and next to no service, but the current rulers of the UK seem to like that.

McHrozni
 
Vixen said:
It's obtaining that CE compliance certificate that is the hard part.
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China seems to manage it easily enough for all the thousands of different products the EU imports from there.

Getting Nissan cars, for example, CE marked is easy - they already are. If and when Nissan make new models, or the EU changes its rules, it will be just as easy, and arguably easier, to get those cars CE marked in Sunderland as it will be in Japan, or any other non-EU country.

Of course, Nissan may decide to make them in Japan anyway. If there is a lasting global downturn in the car market, you'd expect manufacturers to consolidate their manufacture in their own home country.

If there's not a downturn, then, as always, car manufacturers will choose to manufacture in whichever country offers them the best deal. That may not be the cheapest place as they also consider things like stability and ease of relocation. Costs and projected profits are the main driving force, and any tariffs or other protectionist measures will need to be factored into the likely costs.
 
ceptimus said:
China seems to manage it easily enough for all the thousands of different products the EU imports from there.

Getting Nissan cars, for example, CE marked is easy - they already are. If and when Nissan make new models, or the EU changes its rules, it will be just as easy, and arguably easier, to get those cars CE marked in Sunderland as it will be in Japan, or any other non-EU country.

Of course, Nissan may decide to make them in Japan anyway. If there is a lasting global downturn in the car market, you'd expect manufacturers to consolidate their manufacture in their own home country.

If there's not a downturn, then, as always, car manufacturers will choose to manufacture in whichever country offers them the best deal. That may not be the cheapest place as they also consider things like stability and ease of relocation. Costs and projected profits are the main driving force, and any tariffs or other protectionist measures will need to be factored into the likely costs.
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For now. Whilst the UK is in the transition period. If the government can swing a deal - and there is no sign it even wants a deal - then nothing drastic will change.

Now it will almost certainly be a no-deal as it has only got until the end of June or July the latest to wrap things up.

The position at the moment re GOV.UK is:

Rules for vehicle and component type-approval from 1 January 2021
Manufacturers will need to make sure they have the correct type-approval for each market - the EU and the UK.

Type-approvals issued in the UK will no longer be valid for sales or registrations on the EU market.

European Community type-approvals (EC type-approvals) issued in the UK will no longer be valid for sales or registrations on the EU market.

EC type-approvals issued outside of the UK, will no longer be automatically accepted for registering vehicles on the UK market.

The UK will continue to recognise United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UN-ECE) approvals for systems and components. The EU will continue to recognise UN-ECE approvals issued by the UK.

The Vehicle Certification Agency (VCA) will remain a technical service and type-approval authority for the testing of UK and UN-ECE type-approvals.
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Brexiteers are just not getting that they will no longer have a safety net nor will they be cushioned, as they are now.

Why are Nissan leaving Sunderland in the event of a no-deal?

Nissan has said its Sunderland manufacturing plant is still under threat if the UK leaves the EU without a trade deal.

Last week Nissan said the UK’s largest car manufacturing plant would stay open as it announced plans to cut £2.3bn in costs worldwide. However, the carmaker has said it needs to “improve efficiency” at the factory in the north-east of England, which employs 6,700 staff.

On Wednesday, Ashwani Gupta, the Japanese company’s global chief operating officer, said that with the EU being the Sunderland factory’s biggest customer, the tariffs that would come with a no-deal Brexit would mean manufacturing in Britain would not be viable.
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Nissan has previously warned that a no-deal Brexit would jeopardise the “entire business model for Nissan Europe” because of the threat of 10% export duties on the majority of the plant’s production.

About 70% of the cars manufactured in Sunderland are sold in the EU. If a trade deal is not struck, the 10% tariffs are implemented as a default under World Trade Organization rules.

The plant, which produces the Qashqai and Juke SUVs and the Leaf electric car, is scheduled to reopen in early June. It could also be used to build vehicles for Renault and Mitsubishi under their three-way car making alliance. The partners have said they will employ a “leader-follower” model, with Renault the leader in Europe.
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ceptimus said:
Being based in a non-EU country does not prevent a company exporting cars to EU countries. How do you think cars built in countries such as Japan, USA, South Korea, and Malaysia are sold in the EU?
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Malaysia? Much as I like to big up UK-Malaysia trade, there isn’t a significant export market for Malaysian cars. The latest figures I found on paultan (MY version of top gear website) suggests 30k vehicles exported a year worldwide. I would guess most of those go to Singapore, with low hundreds going to UK/Ireland. The tiny volume for the EU would probably mean individual certification is more likely, though I don’t know for sure.
 
ceptimus said:
Not every item has to be inspected. The product has to be designed, built, and (sometimes depending on the product) samples have to be tested to ensure compliance. After that, only random samples are inspected. Surely you don't think there are a team of EU inspectors checking every single toaster, iPhone, TV, and clock imported to the EU from, say, China.
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No, but like on the Norway/Sweden border every lorry has to stop and present its' papers. If something doesn't add up or looks suspicious, prepare for a long inspection. There's a nice cafeteria nearby, though. Many a lorry driver has spent an hour or three there. :D
 
gypsyjackson said:
Malaysia? Much as I like to big up UK-Malaysia trade, there isn’t a significant export market for Malaysian cars. The latest figures I found on paultan (MY version of top gear website) suggests 30k vehicles exported a year worldwide. I would guess most of those go to Singapore, with low hundreds going to UK/Ireland. The tiny volume for the EU would probably mean individual certification is more likely, though I don’t know for sure.
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Buy any Dyson stuff?
 
ceptimus said:
China seems to manage it easily enough for all the thousands of different products the EU imports from there.

Getting Nissan cars, for example, CE marked is easy - they already are. If and when Nissan make new models, or the EU changes its rules, it will be just as easy, and arguably easier, to get those cars CE marked in Sunderland as it will be in Japan, or any other non-EU country.

Of course, Nissan may decide to make them in Japan anyway. If there is a lasting global downturn in the car market, you'd expect manufacturers to consolidate their manufacture in their own home country.

If there's not a downturn, then, as always, car manufacturers will choose to manufacture in whichever country offers them the best deal. That may not be the cheapest place as they also consider things like stability and ease of relocation. Costs and projected profits are the main driving force, and any tariffs or other protectionist measures will need to be factored into the likely costs.
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Sigh. :rolleyes:
 
Darat said:
Buy any Dyson stuff?
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No, as it happens. Oddly enough, Dyson stuff here seems to be exported either to EU/UK and then reimported.

Have not heard good reports of his goods. Especially the Airblade. Looks great, but all it does is spray piss everywhere. Worst urinal ever.*

The original comment was on cars, rather than general trade, though.



*credit to a Viz contributor.
 
catsmate said:
Hell no. Overpriced junk.


Though at least Dyson's silly fans don't drip oil...
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That's not oil, it's Jyyyaaaaaagggggg juice! (And it's okay because you can just 'borrow some more from any other car owner that isn't looking. It's perfectly alright if you have a Jyyaaaagggg).
 
ceptimus said:
Of course. And, for example, the Nissan factory in Sunderland is already making cars that comply with all the relevant EU standards.
:rolleyes:
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How can the EU continue to import these cars without assurance they will continue to comply with EU standards? Once the requirement to build them to EU standards ends, there is no way the EU can allow them to be imported until another mechanism is implemented.
 
ceptimus said:
China seems to manage it easily enough for all the thousands of different products the EU imports from there.
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It took decades for the companies importing those products to get them all validated as CE compliant.
ceptimus said:
Getting Nissan cars, for example, CE marked is easy - they already are
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Only because EU rules still apply. If you drop those rules how do you know they remain compliant?
ceptimus said:
If and when Nissan make new models
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Car models are updated every year.
ceptimus said:
If and when Nissan make new models, or the EU changes its rules, it will be just as easy, and arguably easier, to get those cars CE marked in Sunderland as it will be in Japan, or any other non-EU country.
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Either way they will need to have an export specific model that is fully compliant with EU rules. If it’s just as easy for them to produce these vehicles in Japan why would they bother making them in the UK especially if it’s a model they no longer sell in the UK? If the UK adopts US product rules, it’s far easier just to ship cars from existing plants in the US, Mexico or Canada and make the EU specific models in the EU or in Japan.
 
catsmate said:
Sigh. :rolleyes:
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Typical content-free post from you with the usual implied (sometimes explicit) insult. You don't HAVE to respond to all my posts with sarcastic comments you know - if you don't have anything to say, then why not simply do that?
 
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