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LongFuzzy
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PS, It was YOU that proposed to do a test. Don't you remember?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13060569#post13060569
p0lka
Illuminator
You stated early may,
That's a simple test you could do to confirm that what you are experiencing is correlated with the wifi?
It also indicates that you don't usually have headaches?
You now have seemed to have deteriorated to the point that you can't even do that anymore?
The shielding doesn't seem to be particularly effective, please check in with a GP to get a check up.
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abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
Or it could be an allergic reaction to the pills.
Whats interesting about this about this anecdote, is that you have told us before about taking pills pre-emptively and how it never works. Yet you continue to do it.
So why are you doing it?
Also, why would anyone here fund research into something we do not accept? And grifting for money is not a good look, just saying.
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gabeygoat
Master Poster
How are the electrician and gardener doing?
Why are you risking their lives by subjecting them to whatever imagined disease you believe in?
(1) You agreed to the test. Stop playing the victim.
(2) Job and Moses had it far worse.
(3) I'm sorry for your suffering.
(4) I'm sorry that your delusions stand in the way of alleviating your suffering.
Hans
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Yes of course, to bad there is no 'rhetorical' question emoji - or is there?
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Jim_MDP
Philosopher
Damn... got to the end and my Irony Meter spewed out its magic smoke.
Coulda used a preemptive warning. [emoji20]
Roger Ramjets
Philosopher
Forget it. I won't pay to support your confirmation bias. If you wanted to know the truth, you would have devised a test and done it already. But now you are so invested in your preconceptions that nothing will change your mind.
It's a pity, because by casting off of your preconceptions and being scientific you might have been able to resolve your medical issues. But it's obvious now that you are incapable of doing that. All the tests in the world - no matter how unequivocal - wouldn't be enough to convince you that you are wrong.
You say that you are 'against' drugs, but you are apparently taking regular pain medication. That is one of the worst ways to abuse a drug. Pain medication should only be taken for short-term relief when the pain is not telling you anything useful and you have to ignore it - eg. when recovering from an operation.
If you think that exposure to something is causing your pain, don't take drugs. Avoid the thing you think is causing it, and if that doesn't help then consider other potential causes. Taking drugs just masks the pain and doesn't fix the underlying issue. It also doesn't help you to manage pain because you don't get any hint of what you can do to reduce it, and the drug unbalances your body's natural pain suppressors so when it wears off you feel even worse. Eventually it gets to the point where you have to take it just to feel normal - IOW you are addicted.
Matthew Ellard
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Aren't you simply pulling our legs?
If you are uniquely sensitive to EMF radiation, and this is causing you pain, aren't you posting using a computer monitor that radiates EMFs?
If you are not here to undertake a scientific experiment, shouldn't you simply stop posting, everywhere, to reduce your self-inflicted pain?
PartSkeptic
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Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
Nobody's going to click on a blind link, PartSkeptic.
Incidentally it is now four weeks since you agreed to do a simple blind test of your claim to be able to tell whether or not the wifi is switched on from your physical symptoms.
Incidentally it is now four weeks since you agreed to do a simple blind test of your claim to be able to tell whether or not the wifi is switched on from your physical symptoms.
PartSkeptic
Illuminator
It is all relative. I cannot withdraw from modern life. Some sources of emf are low. I still use a cell phone. I do not keep it on me, I use speaker mode and put it on a table when speaking, and I often put it on aeroplane mode when I use the alarm clock. No WiFi in my house. Although the readings are low I intend to make them lower using carbon and graphite paint as an absorber. Better than putting aluminium foil in the ceiling. I know a person who did this and her house is almost zero. She is now shielding her windows.
I will probably do the experiment once my health levels out. Once I get some commitments done I plan to go to a Hydro where there is almost no radiation in order to recover. Perhaps the doctor there would be interested in doing the observing.
And you might be referring to the electron tubes. Remember the screens that people bought to reduce the radiation? The problem was called screen dermatitis. The current monitors are very low in emfs.
https://www.zaslovenijobrez5g.si/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Zaslovenijobrez5g.si-5g-Crisis-Book.pdf
Now you said can we call it microwave sickness, and it used to be called microwave sickness. That was the name that they gave to it during the Second World War, which is the first time microwaves were used. Artificial microwaves, you know, man-made microwaves were actually used in the environment. And prior to that, it was called neurasthenia.
And that goes back to the turn of the century, early 1900s. And hear the term was used for women who worked on Telegraphs and telephone. You know, in the past you had to plug things in for a telephone call and they were getting shocks. They were exposed to fairly high levels of electromagnetic fields, and their nervous system just basically gave up. They started having fatigue, excessive fatigue, chronic pain, sometimes they collapse. They just pass out. And neurasthenia is a weakening of the nervous system. That’s basically what it means. So that was the original diagnosis.
It then moved to microwave or radio wave sickness during the use of video display terminals, when a lot of the women secretaries were typing on their computer in front of a big computer screen. Then it was called screen dermatitis, so people who reacted the name was screen dermatitis. And Dr. Johansen in Sweden reported on this and showed that there was a histological reaction to the radiation, and now we just call it electro hypersensitivity. I actually call it rapid aging syndrome, because the cells in your body are aging and you’re having the symptoms of aging.
So things like poor sleep, chronic fatigue, chronic pain difficulty in concentrating. These are all symptoms that we have as we age. And many of the people I talked to who have these symptoms say, “Well, I’m just getting older and this is perfectly natural.” But when you put them into a clean environment, electromagnetically clean environment, a lot of their symptoms go away. So that’s not real aging. That’s, in my mind, a rapid aging that happens that can be reversed, which is the really good news for people who are suffering from this illness.
Same paper...
Josh: So, we know of the bio initiative report on bioinitiative.org, there’s roughly 1,800 studies, I believe. As early as 1972, Zora Glaser and the US Naval Medical Department, compiled something like 2,300 studies, all showing a biological effect. And all these studies are just not taken into account, as we’ve discussed, by regulatory agencies. How many studies would you estimate, Martin, are there that show a biological effect from EMF?
Dr. Pall: At levels well below safety guidelines?
Josh: Yeah.
Dr. Pall: I think there are probably at least 14,000.
Josh: Wow.
Dr. Pall: And I can sort of give you a rough idea. Let me just say, there are also therapeutic effects of EMFs, and that’s something I recognized from the very first paper that I wrote on it. Which, interestingly, are not recognized by the industry. They’re more concerned about maintaining their propaganda claim that nothing’s going on, than they are in trying to take credit where they might actually have a little bit of credit. In that there are actually therapeutic effects of these EMFs.
Josh: Interesting.
Dr. Pall: Yeah. So there’s something like 4,000 papers on the therapeutic effects and there are at least 10,000 on the pathophysiological effects. And then of course, it’s the pathophysiological effects that we’re concerned about.
PartSkeptic
Illuminator
Confirmation bias...
My story is a long one. Too many "coincidences" and "correlations" to not have a cause and effect. I did not think I would be affected when the tower was powered on. The symptoms came first. Hardly confirmation bias.
I am particularly sensitive but my wife, who often dismisses me when I say she has symptoms, had a headache when they turned on the tower illegally. It was what alerted me to take a measurement. I was not home earlier that day. She has sold her home with much "grieving", although I think our new home has is very nice.
She got basal cell carcinoma on her face and then on her chest a little later. Another house next to the tower had the husband see a return of his prostate cancer, and his wife have various illnesses. They moved into their office and are going to sell their house of use it as a business. All of this in 6 months of power on.
Meds...
I have tried to get off medication many times. The problems came back in spades when I do. I am even on some supplements. My holistic doctor who is against both medication and supplements said "The supplements are medication to you. You need them to combat the strain your system is under. And with regard to the pain meds, you need them if you are in pain."
Of course, I could move into the country side or to a low-radiation area to solve the problem. My pain and problems disappear then. But I am not a recluse.
Testing...
Would you be convinced that I am EHS if my tests showed that I can tell from the pain that I am being radiated? Or would you say I am lying or did not do the tests properly?
PartSkeptic
Illuminator
How are people who work with radiation doing? Xray departments and nuclear power stations?
You still do not understand dosage yet. Intensity and duration.
It took 4 weeks of power-on under the tower to start having symptoms. It took another 4 months to get sensitized to the level I am at.
In court papers, I challenged the Telcos to have three executives "prove" there was no harm by taking a 5 day course of ciprofloxacin and then live with a device for 20 hours a day every day for 3 months that emitted radiation at the same power, frequency and pulsation as the cell tower. The answer - "I have an active imagination". Basically scoffing, but not prepared to "prove it" with such a simple experiment.
My wife sold her house. There was no hiding the huge tower. The buyer does not believe they will be harmed. And they may be right. Is my wife supposed to demolish her house to protect others?
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
No idea. Not sure I see the relevance either. Are cell phones radioactive?
If you have a point to make, you need to be a little clearer. What are you trying to say here?
What is this supposed to mean? You said earlier that symptoms manifested just 15 minutes after the tower was switched on.
Can you explain what 'sensitised to the level I'm at' means?
And they wouldn't try to prove their beliefs by a simple experiment!
Outrageous! Well, clearly we shouldn't believe them, then.
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
That would depend on whether you did the tests properly, and whether you told the truth.
If you tell a lie, that makes you a liar. You lied, and were called on it. Now you're affecting to be all hurt, and feeding your martyr complex. No-one here is dismissing everything you say as a lie, so stop trying to hide behind that excuse.
Grow up. If you don't want to be called a liar, don't lie. It's not that difficult a concept to grasp.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
I suspect he's using the simplistic 'some EMF bad = all EMF bad' logic. No one disputes that X-rays and gamma rays are damaging.
I think he's saying that his symptoms first started to manifest 4 weeks after the cell tower was turned on, and worsened over the next four months. Now he's "sensitised" even having the wifi on is enough to produce symptoms, even though he's moved house.
IOW having jumped to the conclusion that it was the cell tower that caused the symptoms he has retroactively 'deduced' how long it takes for symptoms to manifest and worsen, and is explaining away the fact that he's still experiencing them despite having moved house by further assuming (without evidence) that it's possible to become 'sensitised'.
Personally I would be considering other possibilities (e.g. gradually rising blood pressure) for both the onset and the increasing severity and persistence of my symptoms, but that clearly isn't the way PS rolls. Once he's decided what to believe (based on the flimsiest of anecdotal evidence and a profound inability to understand probability theory) he does not waver.
And they wouldn't try to prove their beliefs by a simple experiment!
Outrageous! Well, clearly we shouldn't believe them, then.
The usual shifting of the burden of proof.
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JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
Dosage, as health physicists define the term, does not apply to non-ionizing wavelengths.
Mojo
Mostly harmless
I’m surprised that the response wasn’t just “this sort of thing doesn’t belong in the court papers”.
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