Another Antifa Call for Violence

dann said:
I think that was Checkmite's point.
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If that's the case, apologies checkmite.

The only examples of "agitators" seen so far are right wing ones, like Checkmite's example. Boogaloo boys have explicitly, prior to the Floyd murder, endorsed the idea of taking an unrelated protest or confrontation and escalating it to lethal violence. Their goal is lethal conflict between the state and the public.
 
dann said:
I really don't understand why alt-right people always want to play this game of, 'yes, but antifa are bad, too!'
They don't even get close to committing the violence of alt-righters and other racists.
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Come on, you understand it perfectly. They know the facts aren't on their side, but they don't care. They'll say whatever they need to say to keep their idiot followers in line. It isn't about convincing you or me; they know we see through their BS. They're playing to their own audience. You are just a prop in their pantomime act.
 
I know what their strategy is, and I know that they are playing to their audience. But it is still surprising to see that Trump doesn't seem to understand that even his audience may notice when he is saying one (conspicuously stupid) thing one moment, and the next he is corrected by his scientific advisers. This makes some fans lose confidence in him, obviously, and also in some of the things that they have come to believe in their fact-resistant bubble. (Even more so when his stupidity is so obvious that even many fanboys can see on their own that he is more ignorant than they are.)

We have now had this game of 'antifa are more violent than the alt-righters' a number of times, and they lose it every time because the lie is so obvious and easy to refute. This makes me think that these right-wing bubbles like 4chan make them lose sight of reality to the extent that they don't even realize that it is very different from the real world where people actually know about things or at least are willing and able to look things up if they don't.

It seems to come as a surprise to Arcade22, for instance, that even if we don't know much about Swedish antifa and their vandalizing (= smashing a couple of windows) of the home of an (allegedly "center-right politician"), it's very easy for us to find out about them online.

I'm with Joe Morgue (at least I think it was him) on this one: We can't simply ignore these guys. If we do, we help them get away with their performance. We make it much easier for them to convince a gullible, but maybe not yet mean-spirited audience.
 
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The point of blaming antifa is deflecting from the very real, grassroots anger that is flaring up across the country right now about the very real problem of police brutality and impunity.

It's pretty gross that these protests, largely instigated by urban blacks that are fed up with being brutalized by the police, is now being attributed to leftist white agitators.

Blaming antifa scares people who don't live in the cities, and there has been a concerted effort by the right to make people in sleepy suburbs afraid that antifa terrorists are going to come with torch and gun to loot their safe, white towns.

Once sufficiently scared, the public will be more open to violent military and police suppression of demonstrations.

This is a propaganda campaign to sweep the real problem and possible solutions out of view.
 
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dann said:
I know what their strategy is, and I know that they are playing to their audience. But it is still surprising to see that Trump doesn't seem to understand that even his audience may notice when he is saying one (conspicuously stupid) thing one moment, and the next he is corrected by his scientific advisers. This makes some fans lose confidence in him, obviously, and also in some of the things that they have come to believe in their fact-resistant bubble. (Even more so when his stupidity is so obvious that even many fanboys can see on their own that he is more ignorant than they are.)
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See, we keep saying, "Oh, they simply must notice his contradictions! This simply must convince some of them to abandon him!", but that rarely seems to actually happen. Did you watch any of Obama's town hall the other day? I watched some on Facebook, where you can see comments from others live as they come in. I'd say about a third were right wingers spouting the same nonsense about Obama they've always spouted. Like, he was the race-baiter, he was the most divisive President in history, he was the one who never tried to do anything for the black community, plus not a little of the "Barry Soetoro" birther crap still mixed in.

They either don't get it, or don't want to get it.


I'm with Joe Morgue (at least I think it was him) on this one: We can't simply ignore these guys. If we do, we help them get away with their performance. We make it much easier for them to convince a gullible, but maybe not yet mean-spirited audience.
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I'm not telling you to ignore them, just stop acting like you don't understand them.

It's the same as when we argued with 9/11 Truthers. You know they're full of ****, and will never acknowledge their errors and lies, but you point out the errors and lies so that people who aren't yet Truthers can at least see a counter-argument before they decide what to believe.

We're props in their pantomime, but we can use them as props as well.
 
Horatius said:
They either don't get it, or don't want to get it.
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The ones you're talking about don't want to get it, but I think that even some of those are beginning to realize that they may have been betting on the wrong horse and that now is the time to quit in order to avoid the backlash. They are bloody cowards and opportunists, and they won't stick with Trump when it stops being fun and/or rewarding for them.
Haven't you noticed a certain .... despondency in the usual suspects in this forum very recently? In this thread, for instance?

At this point, I am beginning to think that a military coup isn't out the question to remove the chaotic Psychopath in Chief. Many military leaders are obviously embarrassed by having him in charge.

I'm not telling you to ignore them, just stop acting like you don't understand them.
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I think I understand them pretty well, and I don't act as if I don't. What I said I didn't understand was their inability to see that they are losing the game. And I think that some of them are beginning to realize it.
 
dann said:
The ones you're talking about don't want to get it, but I think that even some of those are beginning to realize that they may have been betting on the wrong horse and that now is the time to quit in order to avoid the backlash. They are bloody cowards and opportunists, and they won't stick with Trump when it stops being fun and/or rewarding for them.
Haven't you noticed a certain .... despondency in the usual suspects in this forum very recently? In this thread, for instance?
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I think I understand them pretty well, and I don't act as if I don't. What I said I didn't understand was their inability to see that they are losing the game. And I think that some of them are beginning to realize it.
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The opportunists and cowards will try to fade away unnoticed, and we should let them do that (at least until after the election). But they will never admit that they were taken in, or supported Trump out of cynical opportunism.

The ones who are still arguing are the real supporters. They're either too stupid to know they're losing, or they know it, and are going for the Hail Mary play, hoping they can turn the tide and stay in the game. They will also never admit defeat, even as Trump is frogmarched out of the West Wing. They're the guys standing next to Hitler in the bunker, voicing approval of his plans for redeploying troops who are already dead or captured.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Project Veritas always knows best.
It has a 100% track record.
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Some actual criticism of their nonsense.

The "Project Veritas Investigator" in the "expose antifa" video claims that "Rose City Antifa holds required lectures for prospective members in secret at In Other Words bookstore before they open," which is interesting because In Other Words closed in June 2018.
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And it's still going to work. The right is in love with idiotic conspiracy theories.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
If that's the case, apologies checkmite.

The only examples of "agitators" seen so far are right wing ones, like Checkmite's example. Boogaloo boys have explicitly, prior to the Floyd murder, endorsed the idea of taking an unrelated protest or confrontation and escalating it to lethal violence. Their goal is lethal conflict between the state and the public.
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That is indeed my point, and represents the greatest irony. The president and his AG have given Important Statements about how "antifa" is responsible for the crime that has been taking place concurrently with the protests - against FBI internal assessments that have been finding no connection - and meanwhile the actual arsonists and conspirators who have actually being busted so far have all been alt-righters or thieves who say they just wanted some money.
 
Antifa stole the medical masks to be used for looting!
 
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