PartSkeptic’s Thread for Predictions and Other Matters of Interest

[PartSkeptic]

It is a mystery. There are clusters. But there will be no investigation into possible cell towers as a factor. Why Because THEY say so. And so do many others. It will be dismissed as a conspiracy theory. Nice weapon for a company to use. The weapon used in the case of the radium girls was that they had syphilis.

Why not try to dismiss it scientifically? They say it is a waste of money that will only fuel the CT. But they may be worried it might be true.


https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/f...ness-afflicting-children-200519063453208.html
By early May, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Connecticut reported clusters of children with PMIS and three deaths. Dr Randolph already knows there are more.

https://www.who.int/news-room/comme...ome-in-children-and-adolescents-with-covid-19
Recently, however, reports from Europe and North America have described clusters of children and adolescents requiring admission to intensive care units with a multisystem inflammatory condition with some features similar to those of Kawasaki disease and toxic shock syndrome. Case reports and small series have described a presentation of acute illness accompanied by a hyperinflammatory syndrome, leading to multiorgan failure and shock.

 

[Pixel42]

There is nothing stopping anybody who thinks cell towers might be a factor in the sudden increase in the incidence of Kawasaki disease from doing a study to investigate that possibility. Obviously those who don't see any good reason for thinking that (because there really isn't one) are going to spend their time and money undertaking such a study.

 

[Mojo]

It is a mystery. There are clusters.

There are always clusters. It’s a combination of the way random patterns appear and the human predilection for seeing patterns. It doesn’t necessarily mean there’s a specific cause or, indeed, a mystery.

 

[abaddon]

It is a mystery. There are clusters.

Clusters of everything happen all on their lonesome. Sometimes randomly, sometimes with a cause. So what?

But there will be no investigation into possible cell towers as a factor. Why Because THEY say so. And so do many others.

THEY? Who exactly are THEY? And where did THEY say this?

It will be dismissed as a conspiracy theory. Nice weapon for a company to use. The weapon used in the case of the radium girls was that they had syphilis.

Because it is a CT. And the radium girls won their case in court.

Why not try to dismiss it scientifically? They say it is a waste of money that will only fuel the CT. But they may be worried it might be true.

Again with the mysterious "THEY".

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/f...ness-afflicting-children-200519063453208.html
By early May, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Connecticut reported clusters of children with PMIS and three deaths. Dr Randolph already knows there are more.

https://www.who.int/news-room/comme...ome-in-children-and-adolescents-with-covid-19
Recently, however, reports from Europe and North America have described clusters of children and adolescents requiring admission to intensive care units with a multisystem inflammatory condition with some features similar to those of Kawasaki disease and toxic shock syndrome. Case reports and small series have described a presentation of acute illness accompanied by a hyperinflammatory syndrome, leading to multiorgan failure and shock.

Neither of which have anything to do with the topic at hand.

Next thing you will be doing is blaming clusters of flowers on EM radiation, because they are clustered.

 

[Pixel42]

There are always clusters. It’s a combination of the way random patterns appear and the human predilection for seeing patterns. It doesn’t necessarily mean there’s a specific cause or, indeed, a mystery.

The real mystery is why so many people think hard working, underfunded scientists have nothing better to do than investigate every crackpot idea that's posted on the internet. "It's obvious Kawasaki disease is caused by ice cream, just look at those clusters! No I'm not prepared to do a simple test, let alone fund a study, to prove myself right, but the fact THEY won't spend their own time and money proving me wrong shows THEY must be afraid I'm right! THEY must be in the pay of the ice cream companies, look how those companies are trying to stop me spreading the wild idea I pulled out of my arse just because a few guys driving ice cream vans were attacked and an ice cream factory was burned down! I demand scientists put their attempts to find a vaccine for Covid19 on hold and use their resources to investigate my claims instead!".

 

[Mojo]

The real mystery is why so many people think hard working, underfunded scientists have nothing better to do than investigate every crackpot idea that's posted on the internet. "It's obvious Kawasaki disease is caused by ice cream, just look at those clusters! No I'm not prepared to do a simple test, let alone fund a study, to prove myself right, but the fact THEY won't spend their own time and money proving me wrong shows THEY must be afraid I'm right! THEY must be in the pay of the ice cream companies, look how those companies are trying to stop me spreading the wild idea I pulled out of my arse just because a few guys driving ice cream vans were attacked and an ice cream factory was burned down! I demand scientists put their attempts to find a vaccine for Covid19 on hold and use their resources to investigate my claims instead!".

https://xkcd.com/882/

 

[abaddon]

The real mystery is why so many people think hard working, underfunded scientists have nothing better to do than investigate every crackpot idea that's posted on the internet. "It's obvious Kawasaki disease is caused by ice cream, just look at those clusters! No I'm not prepared to do a simple test, let alone fund a study, to prove myself right, but the fact THEY won't spend their own time and money proving me wrong shows THEY must be afraid I'm right! THEY must be in the pay of the ice cream companies, look how those companies are trying to stop me spreading the wild idea I pulled out of my arse just because a few guys driving ice cream vans were attacked and an ice cream factory was burned down! I demand scientists put their attempts to find a vaccine for Covid19 on hold and use their resources to investigate my claims instead!".

Quite.

Actual research happens when there is a good reason to invest the time and effort required.

"God told me so" is not a reason. It isn't even reason.

 

[abaddon]

You know, I am scheduled for an informal Zoom video conference this evening with 3 PhD's.

Friends for my long distant schooldays. Covid 19 has changed the venue from the pub to the intertubes.

Just to see what happens (assuming we are not cancelled for some reason), I think I will wheel out these CT ideas and see what is the response.

I suspect I can predict that response.

Of course it will have no impact on PS since he is convinced that he knows different and better than any PhD in all subjects, anywhere and everywhere.

Worth it just to see what they say.

 

[PartSkeptic]

The real mystery is why so many people think hard working, underfunded scientists have nothing better to do than investigate every crackpot idea that's posted on the internet. "It's obvious Kawasaki disease is caused by ice cream, just look at those clusters! No I'm not prepared to do a simple test, let alone fund a study, to prove myself right, but the fact THEY won't spend their own time and money proving me wrong shows THEY must be afraid I'm right! THEY must be in the pay of the ice cream companies, look how those companies are trying to stop me spreading the wild idea I pulled out of my arse just because a few guys driving ice cream vans were attacked and an ice cream factory was burned down! I demand scientists put their attempts to find a vaccine for Covid19 on hold and use their resources to investigate my claims instead!".

Typical. Instead of saying that it might be possible to extrapolate the damage of the blood brain barrier to damage of other blood vessels, you pick a straw-man like ice-cream.

You make ridiculous statements that parody my extrapolation instead of addressing the argument.

THEY are always the powers that decide how money is spent and which studies can go ahead. They use your logic. Too expensive - too ridiculous.

Remember the leaded petrol/gasoline controversy? What did THEY say? The lead found in the ocean and in the air was "natural" lead that had always been there. One man disagreed. It took him 11 years before the government finally had to accept he was right. 11 years of damage to the US environment. And decades of damage to the planet as the leaded product was sold around the world.

I really despair for the world.

 

[PartSkeptic]

The last few days I have been in lot of pain - agony actually. I am up to 2 pain tablets a day to get relief. This started with me going to the factory and to the old house and to shops. During the five weeks of lock-down where I stayed home I was improving. Gradually and each day. I even had a few days of feeling fantastic - and without medication.

The lesson is that the damage is accumulative. It slowly builds up. And it takes days or weeks to mend.

This is the problem with testing people who are genuinely EHS. I believe that most cannot "feel" the turn-on but they do start to get sick with daily doses. The genuine ones are the ones that give up. Do you think that the industry funded scientists have not figured this out? They can then give a report that "demonstrates" a lack of sensitivity to Emf because they are left with the fraudsters who are there to be paid their fee or the ones who are not EHS but mistakenly think they are.

So I have to decide. Do I subject myself to exposure on a daily basis for 10 days? Even though only five days have the WiFi on? Do I want to feel terrible and take another two weeks to recover?

What do I achieve? I feel like a person being told to prove my belief that a gun is loaded by putting it to my head and pulling the trigger. Oh, he was right - it was loaded! So sad - too bad. Let us move on.

So tell me - what do I achieve? I already know it affects me. I can see it also affect my wife although it is less obvious. I see and know the symptoms.

 

[Pixel42]

So tell me - what do I achieve?

Knowledge.

I already know it affects me. I can see it also affect my wife although it is less obvious. I see and know the symptoms.

You do not know any of that until you have done a blind test.

DowserDon knew that dowsing worked. Every JREF MDC applicant knew they had the paranormal ability they claimed to have. Yet none of them was able to pass a simple blind test designed to discover if they were, in fact, inadvertently fooling themselves. Your certainty is as unjustified as theirs was.

 

[RedStapler]

The last few days I have been in lot of pain - agony actually. I am up to 2 pain tablets a day to get relief. This started with me going to the factory and to the old house and to shops. During the five weeks of lock-down where I stayed home I was improving. Gradually and each day. I even had a few days of feeling fantastic - and without medication.

The lesson is that the damage is accumulative. It slowly builds up. And it takes days or weeks to mend.

This is the problem with testing people who are genuinely EHS. I believe that most cannot "feel" the turn-on but they do start to get sick with daily doses. The genuine ones are the ones that give up. Do you think that the industry funded scientists have not figured this out? They can then give a report that "demonstrates" a lack of sensitivity to Emf because they are left with the fraudsters who are there to be paid their fee or the ones who are not EHS but mistakenly think they are.

So I have to decide. Do I subject myself to exposure on a daily basis for 10 days? Even though only five days have the WiFi on? Do I want to feel terrible and take another two weeks to recover?

What do I achieve? I feel like a person being told to prove my belief that a gun is loaded by putting it to my head and pulling the trigger. Oh, he was right - it was loaded! So sad - too bad. Let us move on.

So tell me - what do I achieve? I already know it affects me. I can see it also affect my wife although it is less obvious. I see and know the symptoms.

Ask god. If he does not help you, you can be sure that he wants you to be in pain. And who are you to question his plans?

 

[PartSkeptic]

Yep, propped up by a shared delusion of wealth from nothing. Half the price it was over 2 years ago, but still...

Like I said, confirmation bias. There could be many reasons for the blood pressure variation, including the stress of worrying about your blood pressure!

No, 'electrosmog' is not a catalyst of any medical problem. But your imagination might be.

What level is 'high' radiation, and how did you measure it?

Tinfoil around your leg could have other effects that are far more powerful than its ability to shield EMI (useless below 1MHz, not effective at GHz frequencies unless there are no gaps). For example it is a good reflector of IR, so could trap body heat. Muscles and joints often respond well to warmth.

Confirmation bias again. The emf didn't make it worse, the condition was getting worse anyway.

The problem with an observation like this is that any unrelated thing that changes is not necessarily the cause. IOW correlation does not equal causation. In this case you found the cause, and it was not what you thought. So you should reject your first hypothesis and go with what you found was the cause. Furthermore the actual cause was logical and reasonable, whereas the other one wasn't.



I feel your frustration, but as a technician with extensive experience in electronics I don't take any correlation as proof, particularly when there is no known mechanism for cause and effect. One thing I found out doing electronic fault diagnosis is that 99.9% of the time the cause is mundane - a dry joint, a broken track, a dried out capacitor - even when the fault is quite perplexing. So I start out with no preconceptions, but great skepticism - until I have proved the real cause of the problem. It's embarrassing to charge a customer for 'fixing' a fault only to have it reappear because I didn't find the root cause.

I apply the same skepticism to my health. Just because a headache came on after x or a pain when in place y, doesn't mean x or y caused it. Only when the correlation is confirmed by multiple occurrences and a likely cause is identified do I believe it.

Right now I am feeling pain in my right arm and wrist. This time I know what caused it - 3 weeks of repetitive strain potting 82,000 apple seeds. Next time, who knows? Any minor strain might set it off. But it won't be triggered by being close to a cellphone tower, because I know that the signal strength is miniscule and the effect practically unmeasurable. And since the only effect at cellphone frequencies is localized heating, it would more likely make it (insignificantly) better than worse.

I have a great record at finding faults and problems - even where others are baffled. In electronics and in health. With regard to health, I have a number of issues that were quite puzzling, even for many years. Then I would find myself in a situation where the cause was extreme and forced me to find a solution. Histoplasmosis, dust mites and arthritis in my fingers and knees. Hair loss due to demodectic mites. How to get rid of flu and colds. How to get rid of sinus infections. And so on.

Some times I first had to establish the cause. Then I tried the conventional "cures". Many of the ones supposed to be excellent were not only expensive they only worked briefly. This forced me to find my own cures which I did by extrapolation and testing until I found a solid working cure. Other times "cures" were suggested to me by others.

When I find a "cure" I try to establish how effective it is and why it works and for how long. With electrosmog, I have spent two years researching it, and also trying to find relief. Some of your suggestions have merit, and I have considered them. But there is a very definite "cure" - get away from EMFs permanently. I cannot - so I have to take mitigating measures like shielding.

My experiences have been long and extensive. The foil on my leg was a surprise. I did not realize that EMFs retarded healing and promoted damage. The foil was slightly cool and dissipated heat at first, then it had no temperature effect after 5 minutes. What also surprised me was that it made me discover that our lounge lacked the shielding. That was where the problem started.

I subsequently had problems with my right leg in high radiation at the house. All of that stopped when I wore jeans with aluminium mesh. Now that the leg has healed I do not get the pains from the radiation. I should wear the leg protection but it is a nuisance and I figure I will just limit my time exposure.

 

[Darat]

To sum it up "I'm special".

 

[Pixel42]

DowserDon spent years investigating dowsing. Homeopaths and astrologers have often spent decades studying their discipline. Most MDC applicants had a lifetime of experience on which to base their belief in their ability. All shown to be mistaken by a simple blind test.

 

[turingtest]

The last few days I have been in lot of pain - agony actually. I am up to 2 pain tablets a day to get relief. This started with me going to the factory and to the old house and to shops. During the five weeks of lock-down where I stayed home I was improving. Gradually and each day. I even had a few days of feeling fantastic - and without medication.

The lesson is that the damage is accumulative. It slowly builds up. And it takes days or weeks to mend.

This is the problem with testing people who are genuinely EHS. I believe that most cannot "feel" the turn-on but they do start to get sick with daily doses. The genuine ones are the ones that give up. Do you think that the industry funded scientists have not figured this out? They can then give a report that "demonstrates" a lack of sensitivity to Emf because they are left with the fraudsters who are there to be paid their fee or the ones who are not EHS but mistakenly think they are.

So I have to decide. Do I subject myself to exposure on a daily basis for 10 days? Even though only five days have the WiFi on? Do I want to feel terrible and take another two weeks to recover?

What do I achieve? I feel like a person being told to prove my belief that a gun is loaded by putting it to my head and pulling the trigger. Oh, he was right - it was loaded! So sad - too bad. Let us move on.

So tell me - what do I achieve? I already know it affects me. I can see it also affect my wife although it is less obvious. I see and know the symptoms.

What do you achieve by posting here and arguing with people if you have no intention of doing the thing that would help you prove your case? That's what it sounds like you're saying now. Sorry if it pains you, but I don't know why you think anyone is obliged to take you seriously anymore if all you're ever going to say amounts to "I'm a genius, take my word for it!" You might achieve the profit to your ego- what does anyone else get out of it when you refuse to do any more than pontificate?

 

[Pixel42]

Typical. Instead of saying that it might be possible to extrapolate the damage of the blood brain barrier to damage of other blood vessels, you pick a straw-man like ice-cream.

Typical. Instead of constructing a plausible chain of reasoning from published EMF studies to Kawasaki disease, and looking for actual evidence (e.g. correlations) to support your hypothesis that the two are linked, you attack an accurate (though admittedly harsh) analogy of your wild conspiracy theory.

You make ridiculous statements that parody my extrapolation instead of addressing the argument.

The parody does address your argument, by demonstrating how insubstantial it is.

THEY are always the powers that decide how money is spent and which studies can go ahead. They use your logic. Too expensive - too ridiculous.

I repeat: anyone can undertake a study, no one can prevent one going ahead if someone who genuinely thinks they are onto something is prepared to put their money where their mouth is. Those who propose studies for which public money will be used must make a good case that it won't be wasted. It's nobody's fault but yours that you can't do so.

Remember the leaded petrol/gasoline controversy? What did THEY say? The lead found in the ocean and in the air was "natural" lead that had always been there. One man disagreed. It took him 11 years before the government finally had to accept he was right. 11 years of damage to the US environment. And decades of damage to the planet as the leaded product was sold around the world.

They laughed at Galileo, but they also laughed at Bozo the clown. Without evidence to support your claims, you're in the latter category. You're certainly no Clair Cameron Patterson.

I really despair for the world.

What makes me despair for the world is people who peddle wild and dangerous conspiracy theories, despite a total lack of objective evidence to support them, because they think god wants them to.

 

[PartSkeptic]

You make out that I am ONE person with a crazy theory.

In 1994 the first proof of harm study was done by a Motorola paid scientist. There are now hundreds of scientists who send letters of concern and warning.

I expected to get some skepticism about my extrapolation from mobile telephone emfs as applied to Covid. I did not expect supposedly intelligent skeptics to blindly accept the statements made by the industry that the only effect is heating - which everyone accepts as negligible.

I am here to learn. It seems most others are here to pour scorn and boost their egos by dumping on others.

Once more it seems that the test is time, The truth will eventually come out. By then, the planet may have fewer humans.

 

[EHocking]

You make out that I am ONE person with a crazy theory.

In 1994 the first proof of harm study was done by a Motorola paid scientist. There are now hundreds of scientists who send letters of concern and warning.

I expected to get some skepticism about my extrapolation from mobile telephone emfs as applied to Covid. I did not expect supposedly intelligent skeptics to blindly accept the statements made by the industry that the only effect is heating - which everyone accepts as negligible.

I am here to learn. It seems most others are here to pour scorn and boost their egos by dumping on others.

Once more it seems that the test is time, The truth will eventually come out. By then, the planet may have fewer humans.

So, we should disregard the purported study by the Motorola scientist?

Or should we just blindly trust the ones that you agree with?
Not terribly sceptical of you.

 

[abaddon]

You make out that I am ONE person with a crazy theory.

Sure. Wanna know why? It's because....

In 1994 the first proof of harm study was done by a Motorola paid scientist. There are now hundreds of scientists who send letters of concern and warning.

...it's because you have conveniently forgotten that YOU raised this little nugget before and were demolished for it. Yet here we are in the same groundhog day rodeo. It's like you are somehow unable to grok new information.

I expected to get some skepticism about my extrapolation from mobile telephone emfs as applied to Covid. I did not expect supposedly intelligent skeptics to blindly accept the statements made by the industry that the only effect is heating - which everyone accepts as negligible.

We follow the evidence, you quite clearly do not. Given that, what response would you expect? Did you perhaps think that we would all fall to our knees and exclaim "Save me, jebus"? Is that what you thought?

I am here to learn. It seems most others are here to pour scorn and boost their egos by dumping on others.

Yet here we are and it seems you have learned nothing and have no interest in learning anything, ever. Just look at Pixel42's proposed blind test. Seems a reasonable test, no. Seems if you did it, you might actually learn something, no? Seems you refuse to do it for fear you might learn something, no?

Once more it seems that the test is time,

Nope. The test is one you refuse to perform.

The truth will eventually come out.

Sure. Will you be capable of recognising it?

By then, the planet may have fewer humans.

Has it ocurred to you to wonder why it might be that despite your crazy god sending covid 19 to reduce the human population, nevertheless, the human population increased throughout?