Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 22

Status
Not open for further replies.
Dr.Sid said:
It's not so hard to say 'We are with protesters, BUT not with the looters'. Most people are either 'looting is bad, also protesters, also black' or 'black are good, protesters are good, and police started it anyway'.
Actually Trump is one of the few who explicitly makes the difference between protesters and looters, and he even goes extra step to blame looting on Antifa, which is certainly not black organization. Sure, he has his own reasons. He doesn't want people to think racial issues got out of hand, it's Antifa who got out of hand. And he wants to look strong without antagonizing black voters (however few he might have). But he makes the distinction.
Click to expand...
I made the distinction in one of the "while black" threads in Social Events --I'm fine with protests, I'm even fine with angry protesters, but I'm not fine with violence towards officers, or destruction of peoples' cars, houses, or livelyhoods -- and was informed that the blacks had to riot, that everything else had been tried and nothing else worked, and that either way it only led to damage to buildings, which could be repaired or rebuilt :rolleyes: .

I didn't return. It was like being in the Israel-Palestine threads again and having to listen to the Usual Suspects pretending that killing innocent children with bombs and rockets "is the only thing the Palestinainas have to fight with", as if guerilla fighters and peaceful resistance suddenly seizes to exist once the topic is the Middle East.
 
Last edited:
Dr.Sid said:
It's not so hard to say 'We are with protesters, BUT not with the looters'. Most people are either 'looting is bad, also protesters, also black' or 'black are good, protesters are good, and police started it anyway'.
Actually Trump is one of the few who explicitly makes the difference between protesters and looters, and he even goes extra step to blame looting on Antifa, which is certainly not black organization. Sure, he has his own reasons. He doesn't want people to think racial issues got out of hand, it's Antifa who got out of hand. And he wants to look strong without antagonizing black voters (however few he might have). But he makes the distinction.
Click to expand...

But does he mention possible white supremacists inciting along with Antifa? No. Is there any more proof that Antifa is involved than white supremacists? Not that I've seen. In fact, I've seen no evidence whatsoever that Antifa is actually involved despite Trump and Barr claiming so. Although it would not surprise me one iota if both are involved.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Retweeted

80% of the RIOTERS in Minneapolis last night were from OUT OF STATE. They are harming businesses (especially African American small businesses), homes, and the community of good, hardworking Minneapolis residents who want peace, equality, and to provide for their families.

Crossing State lines to incite violence is a FEDERAL CRIME! Liberal Governors and Mayors must get MUCH tougher or the Federal Government will step in and do what has to be done, and that includes using the unlimited power of our Military and many arrests. Thank you!
Click to expand...

Trump is so pathetically transparent. He doesn't give a damn about Floyd or the protests except as an opportunity to attack Democrats.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I made the distinction in one of the "while black" threads in Social Events --I'm fine with protests, I'm even fine with angry protesters, but I'm not fine with violence towards officers, or destruction of peoples' cars, houses, or livelyhoods -- and was informed that the blacks had to riot, that everything else had been tried and nothing else worked, and that either way it only led to damage to buildings, which could be repaired or rebuilt :rolleyes: .

I didn't return. It was like being in the Israel-Palestine threads again and having to listen to the Usual Suspects pretending that killing innocent children with bombs and rockets "is the only thing the Palestinainas have to fight with", as if guerilla fighters and peaceful resistance suddenly seizes to exist once the topic is the Middle East.
Click to expand...

I agree with you. The looting and damage is inexcusable. I don't care how angry you are. Channel it in constructive ways; be angry and show it but looting and setting things on fire is not going to get you what you want.
 
Stacyhs said:
I agree with you. The looting and damage is inexcusable. I don't care how angry you are. Channel it in constructive ways; be angry and show it but looting and setting things on fire is not going to get you what you want.
Click to expand...
Plus it gives Trump what he wants. Commander Inept gets to play (emphasis on the play) tough, and it allows a distraction from his absolute failure as a leader in the pandemic.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I made the distinction in one of the "while black" threads in Social Events --I'm fine with protests, I'm even fine with angry protesters, but I'm not fine with violence towards officers, or destruction of peoples' cars, houses, or livelyhoods -- and was informed that the blacks had to riot, that everything else had been tried and nothing else worked, and that either way it only led to damage to buildings, which could be repaired or rebuilt :rolleyes: .

I didn't return. It was like being in the Israel-Palestine threads again and having to listen to the Usual Suspects pretending that killing innocent children with bombs and rockets "is the only thing the Palestinainas have to fight with", as if guerilla fighters and peaceful resistance suddenly seizes to exist once the topic is the Middle East.
Click to expand...
I keep on seeing this idea perpetuated that it's "the blacks" rioting when almost every protest/riot i've seen is surprisingly diverse. Feels more like a youth uprising against authority than simply "blacks rioting".
 
Trump retweets

The United States of America will be designating ANTIFA as a Terrorist Organization.

The Lamestream Media is doing everything within their power to foment hatred and anarchy. As long as everybody understands what they are doing, that they are FAKE NEWS and truly bad people with a sick agenda, we can easily work through them to GREATNESS!
 
Stacyhs said:
The looting and damage is inexcusable.
Click to expand...
I agree. But this should apply to all looting and damage, not just by poor people who see no other effective way to vent their anger and frustration. If the people with real power hadn't been so busy looting the economy and damaging the environment, perhaps the people affected by it wouldn't be so angry and frustrated.

looting and setting things on fire is not going to get you what you want.
Click to expand...
That's where you are wrong. It's sad, but acts of violence are often the only way to make people pay attention. 'Channeling it in constructive ways' is just another way of saying 'don't be uppity so we can ignore you'.
 
Stacyhs said:
I agree with you. The looting and damage is inexcusable. I don't care how angry you are. Channel it in constructive ways; be angry and show it but looting and setting things on fire is not going to get you what you want.
Click to expand...

Maybe. I'm trying to recall instances in the last few years where streets filled with angry, shouting people effected real change. If they're angry enough and shout loudly enough they might get the attention of people in power.

Real destruction, on the other hand, along with pictures seen around the world of buildings going up in flames, certainly does get people's attention.

Unfortunately right now it's really tough to say who's lighting the fires and looting the shops. Agents provocateurs? Opportunists? Even some of the protesters themselves? It seems to me there are two separate groups at work here: people protesting police behaviour, and opportunists using the protests as a cover for creating mayhem. The protests are certainly legitimate. The destruction is lamentable.

I want to be clear here: I do not applaud the people who are starting fires and looting shops. They are criminals and should be dealt with by the law. But in a perverse way these bad actors are drawing world-wide attention to the situation and may help speed reform.
 
Last edited:
Trump is correct. Law & Order is fake news.

71274c2849c4349d6b85c057d62461f2.jpg
 
Aridas said:
...'I am permanently blind in my left eye': Police target reporters covering George Floyd protests
Trump keeps declaring the press to be the enemy of the people. It's not really a huge surprise that some of the police are pointedly targeting them when they think they can get away with it.
Click to expand...

No it's not surprising, it's something we see in many authoritarian states The media is the only institution regularly pulling back the curtain on the whackjob in the White House. Revealing his lies, deceptions, the double talk. How he must hate them. And lots of trump supporters in law enforcement.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom